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Discussion in 'Canada' started by abarthracer, Jun 2, 2008.

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  1. abarthracer

    abarthracer Formula Junior

    Dec 6, 2003
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    Falmouth, Cape Cod
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    david S.
    Ok, ignorant American posting. I am coming up on thursday for the F1 race. What is the real deal on radar detectors? If you are stopped with it in the car, what will they do?? I know they are illegal, but so are a lot of things that we do, just give me the actual gig on what will happen. Thanks, looking forward to spending money in Montreal!
     
  2. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    Dec 26, 2001
    14,465
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    Newman
    They will take it from you, in some cases make you drive your car over it rendering it useless and provide you with a fine. A friend of mine had that happen. We have radar detector detectors so be careful.
     
  3. b-mak

    b-mak F1 Veteran

    They are illegal in Ontario. I don't know about Quebec.
     
  4. UpNorth

    UpNorth Formula 3
    Owner

    Sep 30, 2006
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    Francois
    The real deal is that it's really illegal here.
    So you should think about leaving home without it this time...
     
  5. MannyGMT2

    MannyGMT2 Formula Junior

    Feb 27, 2006
    429
    Montreal, Canada
    well... its illegal in quebec...

    just before you get to the quebec border, just put it in the trunk inside a plastic bag (in case they search) I have been searched many times, they never noticed it, i don't think customs would confiscate it, the cops would... but no reason for a cop to search your car here. If they see it on the dash, they will fine you heavy, and confiscate it.

    enjoy your stay!
     
  6. Gleggy

    Gleggy Formula 3

    Sep 22, 2004
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    Gleggy
    They have the same Nazi laws here in Australia. Detector detectors, big fine, distroyed on the side of the road if you surrender it yourself. If not they pull your car apart there and then, and then smash it, and leave you to re-assemble your car.
    I love a free country.
    MG
     
  7. lowboy

    lowboy Karting

    Feb 20, 2008
    157
    Underground
    Also ... dont get caught going 50km over the speed limit... they will take your car for a week.. I saw a helicopter flying low over the qew yesterday... so its not just cruisers to watch for...L
     
  8. starboy444

    starboy444 F1 Veteran

    Oct 7, 2006
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    Attention to all American's driving thru Ontario this weekend::::

    As lowboy said......DO NOT DRIVE OVER 50 km/h (about 35mph) over the posted limit!

    The police WILL CONFISCATE YOUR CAR, even if its an exotic (Ferrari/Porsche etc....) and you will be left with no ride to the race.
     
  9. JamesSimpson

    JamesSimpson F1 Rookie

    Jun 29, 2005
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    my brother got pulled over driving his friends 944 turbo with a radar detector hard wired into the car with sensors in the bumpers, the cop was absolutely convinced there was one and was minutes away from ripping the car apart, luckily he got an important call and left! lucky for my brother don't think his buddy would like his brand new car ripped apart in northern ontario!
     
  10. Agent_355

    Agent_355 Karting

    May 13, 2007
    170
    Richmond Hill, Ont
    +1 trillion

    FWIW unless the law has changed in the last short while it is actually illegal to "USE" a radar detector not possess it. After all mine is made by BelTronics and they are in Toronto, go figure. Use it to the border and then toss it in the trunk (or if hard wired turn it off). The so called "street racing" law is not a joke so do be very carefull on any major highway. The police are always out in greater numbers on a race weekend. Save the juice for the twisty back roads where it is more fun.
    Enjoy the race!!!
     
  11. mrfissa

    mrfissa Karting

    May 27, 2005
    213
    In Ontario Radar Detectors can only be transported in a vehicle if they are in the trunk of the vehicle.

    It can't be inside the car.
     
  12. banthafodder

    banthafodder Rookie

    May 6, 2008
    8
    Toronto/Naples
    Funny that my first post will be about detectors.

    Anyway, the last comment is not correct. Technically, the placing of a detector in a locked trunk is still illegal in Ontario. The Highway Traffic Act makes it an offense for a vehicle that contains or is equipped with a radar detector. Yet, amazingly, the law in Ontario does not prohibit the ownership nor the usage of a detector. You can legally own a detector and use a detector, just not have one in your car. So, you could hook that detector to a 12v source and walk down the street, or put in on your bicycle, or your plane!!

    If driving in a prohibited area (Ontario, Quebec, etc) the only detector to use is the Bel Sti. It's completely undetectable by the Spectre III/IV that are in use by the OPP.

    Happy trails!!
     
  13. mrfissa

    mrfissa Karting

    May 27, 2005
    213
    I found this statement on another site. Very funny.

    "A recent amendment to the Highway Traffic Act has changed "radar warning devices" to "speed measuring warning devices" to accommodate the banning of radar/laser detectors. (Now I wonder if speedometers are outlawed!)"
     
  14. starboy444

    starboy444 F1 Veteran

    Oct 7, 2006
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    Good post.

    I have a silly question (although serious). Can someone other than the owner of the vehicle (passenger) keep the radar detector in his/her pocket?

    That way if police pull the car over, they must perform an unwarranted body search? And the owner of the vehicle cannot be charged because it is kept in the pocket of a private citizen other than the owner/driver of the car?
     
  15. mrfissa

    mrfissa Karting

    May 27, 2005
    213
    #15 mrfissa, Jun 5, 2008
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2008
    SS 79(3) deals with searchs. It would be difficult to justify reasonable grounds to search a passenger. If the detector is turned off and not emitting signals; what grounds would a police officer have to search the vehicle or the occupants.

    SS 79(6) deals with exceptions and states that subsection (2) does not apply to a person who is transporting speed measuring warning devices in sealed packages in a motor vehicle from a manufacturer to a consignee. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

    Here is the law:

    79. (1) In this section,

    “speed measuring warning device” means any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to warn the driver of the presence of speed measuring equipment in the vicinity and includes any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to interfere with the effective operation of speed measuring equipment. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

    Speed measuring warning device prohibited

    (2) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle that is equipped with or that carries or contains a speed measuring warning device. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

    Powers of police officer

    (3) A police officer may at any time, without a warrant, stop, enter and search a motor vehicle that he or she has reasonable grounds to believe is equipped with or carries or contains a speed measuring warning device contrary to subsection (2) and may seize and take away any speed measuring warning device found in or upon the motor vehicle. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

    Forfeiture of device

    (4) Where a person is convicted of an offence under this section, any device seized under subsection (3) by means of which the offence was committed is forfeited to the Crown. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 79 (4).

    Penalty

    (5) Every person who contravenes subsection (2) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $100 and not more than $1,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 79 (5).

    Exception

    (6) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person who is transporting speed measuring warning devices in sealed packages in a motor vehicle from a manufacturer to a consignee. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

    Sale of speed measuring warning devices prohibited

    (7) No person shall sell, offer or advertise for sale a speed measuring warning device by retail. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

    Penalty

    (8) Every person who contravenes subsection (7) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable,

    (a) for a first offence, to a fine of not more than $1,000; and

    (b) for each subsequent offence, to a fine of not more than $5,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 79 (8).
     
  16. starboy444

    starboy444 F1 Veteran

    Oct 7, 2006
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    Interesting stuff.

    I guess the only way to keep a radar detector in your car, is to keep it in a sealed package. Is there a way you can operate a detector while it is inside a package? There must be a loophole somehow in this.
     

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