Another official "Grand Prix" movie thread: - Page 4

macca · #61 01-13-2006, 07:38 AM

Spirot,
I believe the in-car Monaco footage was done in practise by Phil Hill driving a Lotus 33 1.5-litre, but the sound wasn't good enough so somehow they played back the take and Phil sat in the McLaren camera-car and revved it to match (or something like that) - which is why it's a big V8 not a V12 for the Aron/Monaco footage.

Jack, I'd be very interested in stills of Monza, if you can put me in touch with your friend.

Paul M

sue308 · #62 01-13-2006, 06:45 PM

Hey All,
Using my wifes sign- in.

Here is a picture of the back cover of the DVD making of Grand Prix. I bought this from a vendor at a race. Petty good stuff. Has quite a bit on the stars of the movie.

**spirot** · #63 01-14-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by macca

Spirot,
I believe the in-car Monaco footage was done in practise by Phil Hill driving a Lotus 33 1.5-litre, but the sound wasn't good enough so somehow they played back the take and Phil sat in the McLaren camera-car and revved it to match (or something like that) - which is why it's a big V8 not a V12 for the Aron/Monaco footage.

Jack, I'd be very interested in stills of Monza, if you can put me in touch with your friend.

Paul M

I think you mean Ghram Hill... in a BRM 1.5 ltr V-8.... at monaco... they recorded onboard sound from the BRM, McLaren, and Ferrari... I think also the Cooper with the Maserati engine... towards the end of the season is when BRM came out with the H-16 fiasco...but it does sound great.

macca · #64 01-15-2006, 10:03 AM

No, definitely Phil in a Lotus - I think that was the only in-car filming done during official practise (excluding driver close-ups done with cameras mounted on replica 'kiddy cars' in special sessions) - see picture, copyright Geoff Goddard.

They used the McLaren-Olds at Spa; at Zandvoort and Brands they had an ex-works BRM V8 (with centre intakes rather than the centre exhausts of Graham Hill's and Stewarts cars) - see picture of driver in BRM at Zandvoort, probably Ginther.

And they had so many fake BRM's, I wonder they didn't get as confused as I am! There were fakes built as H16s, then converted to look more like V8s; a genuine V8 which was given firstly fake centre exhausts and then later was made to look like an H16 for Monza; and all the fakery was cut in with footage of the real cars, including Bondurant's car which was sometimes white to double for a Yamura!

Paul M

sue308 · #65 01-15-2006, 11:49 AM

Father time is an *ss hole!

http://www.francoise-hardy.com/actualites/index.htm

FerrariStuff.com · #66 01-15-2006, 12:03 PM

[QUOTE=sue308]Father time is an *ss hole![QUOTE]

Also see http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...ghlight=louise posts 3 - 5

**Rachane** · #67 01-23-2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatorrari

Jean-Pierre Sarti: Before you leave I want to tell you something. Not about the others, but about myself. I used to go to pieces. I'd see an accident like that and be so weak inside that I wanted to quit - stop the car and walk away. I could hardly make myself go past it. But I'm older now. When I see something really horrible, I put my foot down. Hard! Because I know that everyone else is lifting his.

Recently I acquired the new 2005 edition of the originally-1963 book The Cruel Sport: Grand Prix Racing 1959-1967 by Robert Daley. (I assume the subtitle must be an update as well, as it would be a bit difficut to write a book "-1967" in 1963!)

Anyway it is a superb collection of photographs with accompanying commentary by Daley. US$50 from the publisher (Motorbooks) but available at a lower price on Amazon. Very highly recommended.

On page #201, in a chapter discussing accidents, I encountered this passage describing a sequence of photos of a major crash:

"Two Ferraris speed past the burning, upside-down wreck. Neither driver knows what has happened or who is hurt, perhaps dead. The head of the rookie driver, trailing, is screwed sideways, eyes trying to penetrate the smoke and steam. The veteran driver stares straight ahead. later he will answer in a flat voice, 'What did it do to me? Nothing. Do I sound callous? I used to go to pieces. I'd see an accident like that and feel so weak inside that I wanted to quit, to stop the car and get out. I could hardly make myself go past it. But I'm older now. When I see something like that, something really horrible, I put my foot down, because I know everyone else is lifting his.' The procession has crossed the road and is moving towards the ambulance ..."

So it appears that Frankenheimer used the earlier edition of this book as background material for Grand Prix, was struck by that quote, and borrowed it for Sarti in the film.

**Rachane** · #68 01-23-2006, 01:20 AM

In 1967 there was a really jaw-dropping Italian movie entitled O.K. Connery subtitled and US-released as Operation Kid Brother. Cf.:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062078/combined

It was a sendup of James Bond movies up through Thunderball, and starred Sean Connery's lookalike brother Neil as a doctor whom the British Secret Service wished to borrow for some secret agent frolics during the unavailability of his unnamed brother. Bernard Lee and Louis Maxwell echoed their Bondmovie roles (unnamed of course), and Adolf Celi, recovered from Thunderball, was the girl-surrounded villain. Femme fatale was Daniela Bianchi, the Bond girl of From Russia With Love, and so on.

As can be imagined, the film was full of gag lines and ill-concealed references and fake cameos (M was introduced to 007's brother in Monte Carlo by "Prince Rainier", etc.).

Early in the film M encounters Adolfo Celi at an art auction. His first comment to Celi is to express polite sympathy to him concerning "that unfortunate tragedy at Monza last year", for which Celi thanks him.

It took me a few moments to realize what they were talking about.

macca · #69 01-23-2006, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rachane

Recently I acquired the new 2005 edition of the originally-1963 book The Cruel Sport: Grand Prix Racing 1959-1967 by Robert Daley. (I assume the subtitle must be an update as well, as it would be a bit difficut to write a book "-1967" in 1963!)

Anyway it is a superb collection of photographs with accompanying commentary by Daley. US$50 from the publisher (Motorbooks) but available at a lower price on Amazon. Very highly recommended.

On page #201, in a chapter discussing accidents, I encountered this passage describing a sequence of photos of a major crash:

"Two Ferraris speed past the burning, upside-down wreck. Neither driver knows what has happened or who is hurt, perhaps dead. The head of the rookie driver, trailing, is screwed sideways, eyes trying to penetrate the smoke and steam. The veteran driver stares straight ahead. later he will answer in a flat voice, 'What did it do to me? Nothing. Do I sound callous? I used to go to pieces. I'd see an accident like that and feel so weak inside that I wanted to quit, to stop the car and get out. I could hardly make myself go past it. But I'm older now. When I see something like that, something really horrible, I put my foot down, because I know everyone else is lifting his.' The procession has crossed the road and is moving towards the ambulance ..."

So it appears that Frankenheimer used the earlier edition of this book as background material for Grand Prix, was struck by that quote, and borrowed it for Sarti in the film.

I have an original of that book; the crash was Willy Mairesse in the 1962 Belgian GP, the 'veteran' was Phil Hill and the 'rookie' was Ricardo Rodriguez, all of them Ferrari drivers.

Of course, Phil Hill was the principal stand-in and film-car driver in the movie, and even had a speaking part.......of about three lines, but who can fault his delivery of: "He's on fire!!!!!"

Paul M

macca · #70 02-06-2006, 05:59 AM

News is that 'Grand Prix' is definitely coming out on DVD as a 2-disc set, don't know when.

Paul M

**Kram** · #71 02-06-2006, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by macca

News is that 'Grand Prix' is definitely coming out on DVD as a 2-disc set, don't know when.

Paul M

Loved the movie, can’t wait for the DVDs. I hope there is some bonus material stuck in them.

I was lucky enough to once run into John Frankheimer, which gave me the opportunity to tell him how much I enjoyed his work. At the time he was scouting the pit lane at Le Mans, snapping pictures of every car there; detailed pictures, front, two sides and rear.
He told me that he was trying to get the money together to do another car picture, this time about endurance racing. The plot would be about an older mentor and a young up-and-coming talent, which would have given it the same skeleton as the Sly Stallone dud that was made years later.
That was in ‘84. Later that year I heard the last two customer 956’s built by Porsche were reserved for his production company, then, about six months later, I heard that the funds had dried up and it was all off.
It always sort of amazed me that you could have ‘The Manchurian Candidate’ and ‘Grand Prix’ under your arm and still fail to get interest in a project.

Hollywood, a tough crowd at best.

macca · #72 03-20-2006, 07:04 AM

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1...rbrands5oj.jpg

Another out-take.......Jo Bonnier in a Brabham-Climax in the 1966 British GP at Brands Hatch, disguised as Sarti's Ferrari (Ferrari missed this GP and Frankenheimer wanted race footage).

Paul M

macca · #73 12-21-2006, 02:05 PM

Forty years today since the release of the movie in the USA.......

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1...lation2hg1.jpg

Paul M