F430 Spyder Vs F50

In 10 years though, a 430 spider will probably be about $85-95k (based on 95 355 pricing) while the F50 could still be $500-700k...

 

Bah...Apples to non apples .

The F50 is way way above the F430 . Its like comparing a GTO to a 575 . The 575 will trounce the GTO in everything but its not 1% as desirable as a GTO or even a 275 GTB .

 

I can see your point. However if that were the case will all Ferrari's then the classics would be in the same boat. Take the 250. Back in the day it was "the" Ferrari for performance. But compairing it to modern day Ferrari performance it then becomes as you say, pointless.

 

The F430 is also faster than the 250 GTO, is that now pointless too? Respect the classics. They are a big part of what seperates Ferrari from every other car company.

 

William, I never ever thought I would hear that from you. I agree 100% with Andrew, no comparison between the two.

The only thread I could have imagined you starting on a F50 vs anything is:

I've always wanted an F50 but the Mclaren seats three. The possibility of a bilateral BJ at speed is almost too tempting to pass on.

 

No no, I think it's more of a "I saw 3 of these outside the local Starbucks. You know what that tells me. There are too many people with too much BLOODY MONEY. Now! If i were driving a 1967(forget the year) 275GTB4 Cam." Salesman-"You wouldn't be a_____(forget), You would be a connosuier." "I don't have one here, but I do have one in the warehouse". Cage-"Excellent, what else do you have in the warehouse?"

I know! i'm a loser, but it's one of my favorites movies and if it weren't for that movie, there is a possibility I would not be as into cars as I am.

 

also keep in mind that the f50 is lighter and with out the current multiple computer driver aids, and has an amazing sounding v12, that not v8 can compare to .....also, the f50 is a much better looking car than the 430...

 

"My name's Roger, sir. May I be of some help?"

"That's funny, my name's Roger. Two Rogers don't make a right! Ha ha! Roger, I have a problem."

"Yes?"

"I've been in L.A. for about two months now. I have money, I have taste, but I'm not on anybody's A-list and Saturday night is the loneliest night of the week for me."

"Well, a Ferrari would certainly change that."

"Perhaps, but you know...yes, yes this is the one. I saw three of THESE [gestures to black Testarossa] parked outside the local Starbucks this morning, which tells me only one thing: That there's too many self-indulgent wieners in this city with too much bloody money! [Shocked silence in showroom] Now, if I was driving a 1967 275 GTB 4-cam..."

"You would not be a 'self-indulgent wiener,' sir...you would be a connoisseur."

"Precisely. Champagne would fall from the heavens. Doors would open. Velvet ropes would part."

"I don't have one here. However, I do have one in the warehouse."

"Smashing [I forget what he actually uses right here...I think it's "smashing"]. What else do you have in the warehouse?"

 

The key here being “Since the 430 is SAID to be faster than the F50,” which I’m surprised no one has picked up on. Let’s go back to physics 101… The F50 makes 30+ more HP, 5+ more lbft torque, and weighs ~400lbs less. And, it has wider tires all around with a more rearward weight bias. The only logical conclusion is that, of course, the 430 defies physics and is faster… Now let’s go to marketing 101… The debate (250GTO vs. 575, which brings up a good point in itself) is moot because the F50 will trounce the hell out of the 430 given a capable driver. Don’t buy into the man’s leading you with a carrot (even if that man is Luca di Montezemolo)... Is it $500G better than an 430, I doubt it, but we've looked at two classes already and I don't think anyone wants to go back to economics (diminishing return...).

This is all besides Koenig having F50s up to 650hp NA and 800+HP turboed. It is probably the best platform Ferrari has ever built for all out street performance provided you are willing to do defy the originality gods and do some work to it. With new regulations it is doubtful they will be able to produce any super cars as light in the future (look at the portly Enzo). As soon as you get off the stock only band wagon, its only competition is the F40, which has an engine ~40% smaller in displacement. An Enzo could probably be built up for higher top speeds than an F50 could. But, for acceleration, braking, and cornering Ferrari has yet to produce an engine/chassis combo as ready as the F50.

 

Lots of new cars are faster than a 288GTO but I can't think of one car made in the last two decades that I would take over one.

F50s are not really my cup of tea but I seriously doubt that the 430 is the faster car. I have a hard time getting around the looks of either one, but different strokes for different folks...

 

great point...in fact, ferrari tested the f50 at 3.8 0-100km and the 430 at 4.0.....i think the only advantage the 430 has over the f50 is all the new electronic drivers aids that will help less experienced drivers......

 

BWAHAHAHAHA!

 

Well F50 will always be my favorite Ferrari no matter what and I also love the design and performance of F430. F50 will always and I stress always be a Super ferrari but 430 will in 6-7 years from now be an older model with the price tag at what 360 is asking right now.

 

There was a story here in Bangkok. The guy sold his F40 to buy a brand new recent released F360 in 1999 for pretty much the same price. It's been eight years.... we can still hear that guy crying these days.

Remember.. Technology is cheap. It can hold its value for may be 2-3 years in case of cars, but may be 2 days in case of computer technology.... art and rarity is forever...

 

the F50 has 12 cylinders and a gear stick need i say anything else except who wants a automatic ferrari old people ???????

 

Manual is available on the F430...

 

Ferrari tech said less than 10% will be manuals...

 

and ?

 

Or it could be in the gearing.

 

Completely with Sean F. Its faster? no way. I posted an identical thread a while back, this car can no way even keep up with in F40 in any capacity but braking, it may be even more than 400 lbs heavier than the F50 too..

 

I think its the F40 that the F430 out performs, not the F50
Jason Plato said it in a 5th gear segment of the F430 "it can even out accelerate an F40..."
It will never match it though if you ask me

 

Considering the 430 has been tested twice at 3.5 in the 0-60, I think Ferrari (for once) may have actually underrated the horsepower on their car to beat the Gallardo.