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Slow Down Light- how hot should cat be?

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  1. ssrealty

    ssrealty Formula Junior

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    For the first time, my slow down light flickered a couple of times. It never stayed on. It does turn on when you start and then turns off. Car seems to run fine. What temperature should cat be? My digital thermo gun showed about 360 degrees. This does not seem high. I did put a new O2 sensor a few months ago. Any feedback on temperature reading?
     
  2. soucorp

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    #2 soucorp, Jan 19, 2012
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    Does your slow down lights only flicker after 10min or after car is at operating temperature?
    If so, check the thermocouple wire thats going into the cat. trace that wire upwards to see if its rubbing against the edge of the cat, this may explain why it flickers and everything seems normal meaning the CAT should not be red hot. Its an easy fix, buy some thermal tape and wrap the thermocouple wire if you see it exposed. Mine had this problem and that fixed it.
     
  3. F1wannabe

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    My came on because my catalytic converters were bad, and since I barely passed smog in California, I am going to bite the bullet and replace them.
     
  4. PV Dirk

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    One of the owners manuals states the temps at which the light comes into play. I'm not home so I don't have the actual numbers. I've heard when it gets hot enough to trip the sensor the cat is glowing. Also the operation is two stage. At first it blinks at a steady rate, then when it hits the second threshold it goes on solid. If yours was more of a flicker that will be an electrical fault in the system.
     
  5. ssrealty

    ssrealty Formula Junior

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    Mine is a quick flicker. It does not even stay lighted. And, it is erratic when it does flicker/blink. I will check the wiring to make sure it is not touching. The cat definitely does not glow. I did not think 360 degrees was a high temperature. The mufller registers a higher temperature.
     
  6. Wade

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  7. PV Dirk

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    For future searching purposes:

    In the owners manual for my 1987 3.2 Mondial.

    If warning light flashes cat temp is 1652 +or- 36 degrees F. 900 +- 20 C.

    If warning light is steady temp is 1724 +-36 degrees F or 940 +-20 C.

    That's toasty.
     
  8. ssrealty

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    Ok.... Light is coming on more frequently and staying lit. I checked the temperatures of heads, mufflers, cat etc. Readings are 400-500 degrees, and sometimes slightly hotter.

    Car runs fine, and there is no signs of a glowing cat under car. I don't think it is a bank that is not running. When slow down light turns on, you can hear a very slight clicking noise in right rear of car. It almost sounds like someone is using a telegragh??? You mostly hear this noise when at idle and slow down light is blinking. It is not loud enough to hear when accelerating.

    Does anyone have a picture to reference the thermo coupler mentioned in this thread? I assume this is different than the O2 sensor wire.

    One other note, I know my mechanic removed the catalytic converter a few months ago when car was stalling. He inspected to make sure it was not clogged up and seemed to be working fine. After further research, I discovered the previous owner replaced the catalytic converter in 2008 (about 4,500 miles ago) with a universal one costing $500.

    Appreciate any help, feedback or pictures for reference.
     
  9. soucorp

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    #9 soucorp, Feb 25, 2012
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    I was getting a flickering, then the Slow down light stayed on last summer. I pin pointed it to my thermocouple wire that goes into the catalytic converter. To check this, do the following:

    1) Jack up the rear
    2) Unscrew and remove the net grill protecting the cat/muffler
    3) Identify the thermocouple wire unit on the cat, I do not think the problem is related to the O2 sensor
    4) Examine the thermocouple unit, unscrew it and clean it (looks like a probe sensor thermometer)
    5) Trace that wire upwards into the engine bay, it connects to the ecu, looking for snags along the way
    6) On mine, the sharp metal edge of the cat itself was rubbing & eating into the thermocouple wire insulation, therefore causing a false flicker when the cat got hot and sometimes it just stayed on.
    7) I got some thermo tape and wrapped the compromised area of the wire (go 4 rounds with the tape)
    8) No Slow down light since I fixed it.

    It does sound like you have a similar issue, so try these steps first and see if it helps you.
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  10. ssrealty

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    Thanks for the details. Found the thermocouple wire. It was not rubbing up against the cat, but the wire was discolored. So it probably did at times. I purchased some heat shield wrap at AutoZone and wrapped around the area close to the catalytic converter. Hopefully, this will resolve issue. I will let you know.
     
  11. soucorp

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    #11 soucorp, Feb 26, 2012
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    That's great, mine rubbed right into the wire, it was showing even. After the thermo taping, not a flicker ! You may need to test your couple or get a new one if the problem persist.

    All the best.
     
  12. ssrealty

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    Any secret for keeping the thermal tape on? My tape is coming apart and is getting burn marks by rubbing up against the cat?
     
  13. soucorp

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    #13 soucorp, Mar 3, 2012
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    Not sure why the tape is not holding for you, but mine is on and working for me for 8 months.
    But before we go further, lets diagnose two different issues here:

    1) When the thermo tape was on for you, did you notice the slowdown light stop flickering or go away

    2) If step one passed, how are you wrapping your tape around the wire? Its best to unscrew the thermocouple out of the cat, then you can make sure the wire can be taped on tight. Here is my photo of my wire, I started from probe nut and wrapped up about a foot and a half upwards and looped 3-4 times. Don't be afraid to use up the tape, its alot cheaper than spending $500 on a new thermocouple wire. The wire itself is bendable somewhat so try to keep it from touching the cat.

    hope that helps.
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  14. TMan

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    You should go to the real source of the problem and purchase Scuderia Rampante's gold connector kit for the ECU and be done with it (probably would solve over 90% of these types of problems).
     
  15. Valenzo

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    Well I did that, had the full GCK installed on mine, but I'm still having a intermittent 5/8 slow down light illumination. It's being tracked down now, hopefully it's a simple thermocouple wire but the GCK isn't a fix all in this area, A great product yes, but TC's and ECU's do go bad.
     
  16. TMan

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    True that Valenzo, so you might want to give Dave a call and see what he suggests if you don't get any satisfaction on detecting the problem.
     
  17. familyTruck'uh'Sportster

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    I'm also going to tackle this issue and am following with great interest.
     
  18. familyTruck'uh'Sportster

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    I'm also going to tackle this issue and am following with great interest.
     

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