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** Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kreissieg USA** Please Read!!

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  1. SP_wEaZeL

    SP_wEaZeL Formula Junior

    Aug 23, 2004
    367
    Over a year ago, the Kreissieg F-1 Valvetronic exhaust system was brought to my attention. The quality and sound is what really caught my eye. Being the person that I am, I wanted something that no one had. I had to have it. I purchased the Kreissieg Headers and Exhaust system brand new from Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kreissieg USA. As you probably guessed, this was not a cheap purchase. The headers retail for $8498 and the exhaust retails for $10998.57. I was given a deal on both pieces. Till this day, I believe I’m the only one in the states that has both modifications done on a 6.0L or any Diablo for that matter. When the exhaust was being installed, we ran into a minor problem. The exhaust system was hanging extremely low. It had to be modified, no big deal you think right? But, after paying $10K for an exhaust, do you want to spend more money to modify it? The minor issue was notified to Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kreissieg USA. I don’t know if they’ve changed the design on it or not since. Once the exhaust was installed along with the headers, it was like music to my ears. I had never heard anything sound as good as the Kreissieg did on a Lamborghini.

    The next thing I did was have the car dynoed. I originally ran an MS Racing exhaust which I passed on to a good friend of mine. The car made 445.6WHP. As of today, the 6.0L dynoed to the wheels 453.2 WHP on a 2WD Dynojet equipped with Kreissieg’s F-1 exhaust and Kreissieg’s headers. The driveshaft was removed in order to convert the 4WD 6.0L system to RWD only. That’s a gain of 7.6 HP over the MS Racing. Not only did we dyno the car in F-1 mode, but we also dynoed it with the Valvetronic system in full force to see what would happen. The car dynoed at 347 WHP. That’s 106.2 WHP loss. We felt at that time that the Valvetronic system was best used to silence out the exhaust tone. We didn’t feel it was a good idea to drive with it closed.

    Awhile later I purchased a brand new Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale. I hesitated on purchasing the Kreissieg only because of the pricing. I was running a Capristo exhaust at the time, but on a Stradale, it just doesn’t sound the same as a regular Modena. I gave a call over to Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA and see what they could do for me. They stated to me that they had a used version in stock and would be willing to give me a good price on it. I was pleased to hear this information, but wasn’t sure why they would have a “used” exhaust in stock. I also asked if this exhaust would have any problems with CEL. I was told that there would be no problems whatsoever. The exhaust was bolted into place and again, it was the best sound I’ve ever heard. I grinned from ear to ear. After driving for about 2 days, my slow down light came on. I wasn’t too familiar with Ferrari’s at this point in time, but I knew it couldn’t be good. I took the car into Ferrari of Orange County to have the problem diagnosed. They stated that the exhaust system I had on the car was the cause of it. Being that it was a Stradale, I assumed that it could be possible since the car is different then a regular Modena. I regret now not contacting Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA about the problem, but myself and Mark (SP_Weazel) were assured by them on numerous occasions that the exhaust would not cause this problem. I ended up selling the Stradale in exchange for a Murcielago. The exhaust sat here until one of my sales team sold the exhaust to a local Ferrari customer.

    We install the exhaust on the Ferrari with ease and the customer LOVED it!! He went absolutely nuts. A few days later, we get a call stating that his CEL came on. We sent a flatbed to his house, picked up the car, and promised to sort out the CEL. With out any thought to it, he agreed and was pleased that we were so helpful. We tried numerous o2 simulators, and many different options, but to no prevail. Nothing worked. We contacted Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA and stated the problem to them. They told us that because his car wasn’t a Stradale, that exhaust of course would not work on a regular 360 Modena. Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA also stated that they have a brand new Kreissieg Version that runs the factory CAT’s and will NOT cause a CEL problem. We agreed and paid the $XX,XXX amount for the exhaust system. We received the unit and to no surprise, the piece is wonderfully crafted. My tech’s had the exhaust installed by the end of the day. Our customer came and left with that same smile on his face. 15 minutes later, we receive a call from him, but this time, there’s no CEL, there’s a Slow down Light. He freaks out after reading in the manual that if that comes on, the whole car may shut down. We calm him and ask him to bring the car back.

    At this time, I contact Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA once again and notify them of the problem. The answer we get is: “What do you want me to do?” I lose my composure and go off on them. For me and my company to spend $XX,XXX amounts of dollars with a company, and this is the type of customer service I get, I was not going to be treated in this manner. I may not be selling XX amount of units like Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA told me other customers were doing, but regardless, I am still a customer. At this time, Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA promises to contact Japan and find out more information regarding the problem. This will lead into a second problem I have faced in the past months. (More on that later)

    As of now, the exhausts were redesigned in order to not create the CEL problem. We returned the revised 360 exhaust in which we were credited for. Mark had also sold a Gallardo exhaust to a customer and that exhaust was delayed in shipment for a couple of reasons. 1. Being that they didn’t have the revised versions. 2. He had to sign a WAIVER (Attached Picture) stating that Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA was not responsible for any CEL and or Emissions problems. The customer agreed to sign the waiver. But, SP Engineering was never contacted by Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA. Out customer was contacted via another source. (Mark will post on that.) However, if the exhaust continues to cause the same problem for him as it has done for us and BMWRACER, I will “NOT” hesitate to take the exhaust back and solve the situation with Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA.

    As of now, we have 1 more Murcielago exhaust in stock. I will sell if anyone is interested in it, but as of right now, SP Engineering will no longer buy or carry Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA products anymore. If we are not going to be supported directly by Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA then there is no point for my company to work with them any longer. As stated before, the exhausts have great sound and craftsmanship, but Omni Solutions / Eisenhaus / Kriessieg USA customer service lacked the courtesy to help us in our time of need only to try and help us when it was already too late. This is not a problem that has just occurred, it has been an on-going problem for quite sometime.

    Alex Shen
    SP Engineering
     
  2. FL 355

    FL 355 Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2002
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    Ft Laud
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    Frank Lipinski
    Alex that stinks... one would expect better service for that price.

    FYI:
    Tubi on a Diablo also seem to hang low.

    CEL could be 02 sensor, or many other things, you need the F Computer to reveal the codes. Were you able to determine the fault code?

    Usually, Slow Down light on FCars is the CAT Temp signal. I had a faulty sender that was giving me a false light, but becuase it happened on several cars seems it may be something else. Whatever it is, something on their exhaust sytem is making the Cats run hot.
     
  3. Art

    Art Formula Junior

    Mar 10, 2004
    531
    Southern California
    453.2 WHP on a 6.0 seems really low.

    So you spend $10K for an exhaust and get a total of 7 WHP? Does the Kreissieg exhaust really sound that much better than a Tubi, Capristo, or Borla? Can't imagine why someone would get the Kreissieg when there are so many other options out there.
     
  4. Joe G.

    Joe G. Formula 3
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    Dec 9, 2003
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    Joe Gazzani


    true

    in fact
    one would expect a Blow Job for that price

    :)
     
  5. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 6, 2003
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    Ryan Alexander
    This was a long post just to try and sell that Murci exhaust... generally this type of posting is for site sponsors. I'm just saying other people are paying good money in order to have the privilege to try and pitch/sell their parts/services like that, and it's a little unfair if non-sponsors can come and do the same and not even pay the $15 Silver membership at the least.
     
  6. bottomline

    bottomline Formula 3

    Mar 10, 2004
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    Bijan
    After he said all that about this company, you think it was a sales pitch?
     
  7. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 6, 2003
    25,976
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    Ryan Alexander
    Yes.

    Was the purpose of the post to try and damage Kreissieg's reputation? Is it that important for us to know his shop will not carry Kreissieg's parts anymore? If I had a ten thousand dollar piece of merchandise sitting around, I would write a huge post about it to generate attention - with frequent references to customer satisfaction because of my shop's work.

    I'm not saying Alex is a bad person, I'm just bringing it up that usually this kind of talk is sponsor territory. Perhaps they should sponsor Fchat anyway! ;)
     
  8. Supercharged

    Supercharged Rookie

    Mar 21, 2005
    47
    Very interesting observation Ryan I had not made the jump myself. I too believe that there is a lot more to this situation and the motivation behind this post then is being publicly shared.

    Discovery Automotive is a strong supporter of this exhaust system and will continue to be here for questions regarding it.

    And yes.. we have discussed with Rob being a sponsor ;)

    Sean
     
  9. lamborghinikid

    lamborghinikid Karting

    Oct 22, 2004
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    Georgia
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    Jeff Haney
    A sales pitch? We must have read two different posts. Looks like a "dont buy" sales pitch if anything. I was considering buying this exhaust as my next purchase but with no customer service and CEL coming on without any help or true fix there is no way I would put that on my lambo so THANKS FOR THE POST ! It might look like a sales pitch to someone who is sitting on the couch with no intention of ever buying an exhaust of this magnitude but to someone who is looking to actually spend this kind of money it is a big deterrent. The only sales pitch I see is someone trying to get another site sponsor.
     
  10. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 6, 2003
    25,976
    Las Vegas, NV
    Full Name:
    Ryan Alexander

    I'll set aside the personal attack implying I could never afford an exhaust of this magnitude and say at least I was open trying to convince them to sponsor! Just in the same way SP was upset with Shadowman on L-power about his advertising method, I think Alex's post here is in that same vein.

     
  11. lamborghinikid

    lamborghinikid Karting

    Oct 22, 2004
    136
    Georgia
    Full Name:
    Jeff Haney
    We will leave it at that then. You are looking out for the best interest of F Chat. You are a moderator and that is what you are supposed to do, that is good for F Chat. As a buyer and someone that will buy these products I didn't see what Alex did as an advertisement. I will soon be purchasing an exhaust for one of my projects and I saw this is a warning, buyer beware type of post. I guess depending on what side of the fence you are on you will see it in different eyes. I thought it was a good post and informative. It was nice to know that if you do buy K exhaust you may have problems and it may be hard to have the problems taken care of. As for the personal attack comment ... how would I know if you cant afford an exhaust system? I dont know you or have a clue as to what you do. For all I know you could have 5 lambos or F cars in your garage so however you take the comments is of your own personal preference.
     

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