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  1. Future F430 Driver

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    #1 Future F430 Driver, Mar 14, 2006
    OK I've heard all the rumors about Ferrari's being tempermental but my F430 showed me first hand this AM. I got her with 530 miles and the past week and a half have put about 400 on it. I experienced a few cut offs driving in Auto/Sport the first few days then decided to use the paddles. No problems until this morning when the car refused to go in reverse. The only way it moved was to hold the brake and feather the throttle. As soon as I got into the space the engine bay was filled with white smoke. Didn't smell like clutch. The car sat for the next hour and I had trouble getting it into gear. It was like the clutch would just drop and the car shut off. Really frustrating!!!

    I saw a few threads discussing a TSB on the 06 F430 tranny. Does the TSB apply to the 05?
     
  2. SrfCity

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    #2 SrfCity, Mar 14, 2006
    What's the dealer telling you? That's gotta be the first call you made.
     
  3. Rifledriver

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    #3 Rifledriver, Mar 14, 2006
    When it first started malfunctioning what did the dealer say?
     
  4. zzboba

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    #4 zzboba, Mar 15, 2006

    i experienced the problem that my F1 clutch drops in at too low revs and too jerky and so the engine dies... like a driving newbie... ;)
    this only happened after a longer standstill in a garage with high humidity or in the cold.
    my dealer updated my F1 software recently. problem hasn't occured since then, but i haven't parked in THAT garage since then either... so...
     
  5. SrfCity

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    #5 SrfCity, Mar 15, 2006
    Hmm, the guy just drops this bomb and doesn't follow up with anything concrete the dealer has to say? Something seems a little mysterious with this IMO.
     
  6. tfazio

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    #6 tfazio, Mar 15, 2006
    I think 'future F430 driver' got his new F430 from a broker not a true authorized dealer. Hopefully he has contacted an authorized dealer now. He posted pics of delivery in another thread too. here is the link to that.
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96001
     
  7. Rifledriver

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    #7 Rifledriver, Mar 15, 2006

    Thats because he has not bothered to call. He continues to drive it in the hope it will magically fix itself.

    90% of the time when we had an F1 owner get stranded somewhere, when the truth finally came out they had been experiencing symptoms for some time and had been ignoring them.

    Whether he got it from a broker or not, no reason not to take it to the local dealer for warranty work. We never cared or asked where the car came from.
     
  8. Fly'n DutchMan

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    #8 Fly'n DutchMan, Mar 15, 2006
    I've seen it a couple times that the F1 trannies won't got into gear, both on the Maserati's and the Ferraris. Keeping in mind the the F1 is essentially a manual with shifiting actuators, it reminds one of when you have trouble getting a manual into gear because the synchros are lining up just such to block engagement. In a manual you typically try jiggling the shifter handle or try reverse, then first agian and it will go in.

    From what I have found on the F1 is that something similar works. For example say your trying to back your F430 out of the garage and it won't select reverse from neutral- try selecting first, then nuetral, then first and then nuetral and then try reverse. Just to jiggle the transmission a little.

    If that doesn't work, put the car in first, engine off, ebrake off, and rock/push the car.
     
  9. Future F430 Driver

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    #9 Future F430 Driver, Mar 18, 2006
    I experienced the same problem on an M3 with the SMG. I didn't expect the problem to magically disappear but I was semi-relctant to part with my new toy. I did call Ferrari of Washington and they had me call Roadside to have the car delivered. The tech told me not to drive the car. I asked him if it sounded relative to the TSB. He confirmed that there is a TSB for the 05 & 06 F430's.

    What difference does it make where the car came from?? Broker or dealer, why wouldn't I take a F-car with less than 1K miles, or with that matter with 10K miles to the dealer?? It's definitley npt about savinfg a buck at this point. I merely posted here, while waiting a return call from the dealer.

    Dutchman- I tried shutting off and "jiggling" the tranny to no avail. I could hear R engage and clunk into gear. The clutch would repeatedly drop and the car would stall.

    SrfCity- I like to be somewhat informed before I call the dealer whining about any little thing that goes wrong with the car. This is my first experience with Ferrari service but I like to think I have enough knowledge of cars to be able to offer a pretty credible self-diagnosis of the problem. I'm not one of those guys that plans on having his car towed in for service no offense to anyone that does). My expereince is that the technicians can always use a little push in the right direction. I got a few refernces from local guys to make sure I dealt with a good guy in the service dept.

    FoW said they are waiting for equipment from Ferrari to fully diagnose the problem but assured me that it is clutch related. They expect to have the problem resolved by Tue or Wed of next week.

    I'd like to thank most everyone who stated the obvious- to contact the dealer. I would never have thought to do that??? Who would have thought an 05 with less than 1K miles would still have factory warranty left!!! Not exactly the type of "support" I was looking for from the site...
     
  10. titanium360

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    #10 titanium360, Mar 18, 2006
    JT, i used to have the same problem with my 05 F1 as well and they updated the clutch software few times thru FNA and it was much much better. i actualy used to stall in first gear all the time.

    they are aware of the problem and i am sure your dealer will get it right for you. good luck with it.
     
  11. Future F430 Driver

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    #11 Future F430 Driver, Mar 18, 2006
    T360- That's all I wanted to hear was that I wasn't crazy. I knew someone had to have experienced the same problem. Thanks for the info. I got the impression for the tech at the dealer that this must be the first 430 in the area they've had the problem with. AlthoughI can't imagine they haven't experienced it on a 360 yet??? When I was initially looking for a 360, I considered a 355 (i love the compact size and styling) and asked if there were any inherent differences between the evolutions of the F1. He told me they were software upgrades available.
     
  12. P3P4

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    #12 P3P4, Mar 19, 2006
    NEVER press the brake and throttle at the same time. The white smoke was clutch. One writer correctly tells you that the syncro was probably butted so engage 1st then reverse like you would with a stick shift.

    Also dont forget you have an interlock switch on the brake pedal. That has to be depressed to allow the gear to be selected. Now you were proably pressing this but if its not adjusted correctly you may have to press down harder to dissenagge the interlock.

    As they all say check with the dealer.
     
  13. jps430

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    #13 jps430, Mar 20, 2006
    How common is this fault on the f1 gearbox guys? Part of the reason I chose the 430 over the 360 is the good reports I've heard about the 430 transmission! Reassure me that I should still be looking forward to 1st June 2006 when the big day occurs!

    James
     

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