Auction: 1973 Ferrari 246 Dino Competition

yeh, just got the email this morning too.

hope some of you can give some information about this car.

1973 246 DINO COMPETITION #0686.

(nothing about it in the Ecurie book)
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i don't understand the hype on this car. it is simply a modified coupe, it isn't the lemans car. i think the estimate is very high.

 

The vin # is misleading when posted as #0686.
The vin # is 1980427500686

That said if it was prepared in period by Francorchamp for a privateer as a hillclimber it's interesting and worth something.

 

Shawn.

Do you know the Serial # on this thing?

Dave

 

neither of the serial numbers provided correspond to any dino, much less a 1973 model. i am sure that this car is race prepped, but with the reserve as ambitious as it is, you would expect that they would make damn sure they showed you every reason to justify the price. simply because some guy from spain drove it up and down the hills, doesn't justify the difference. even with successful race history, 100k pounds + is roughly $160k. that is a lot of money for a dino coupe, regardless of race history.

 

Jim.

That's not a DINO vin.

It might be 1973##### with the # indicating serial number.

Or it might be just the serial number by itself, a 5 digit even number.

And 00686 wouldn't be a number for a car from 1973.

Soo...... it's kind of a mystery. Maybe a note to the auctioneer would elicit some more information.

DM

 

Yes and no. Real race history is worth a lot of $. Sometimes millions of dollars. Even this type of history has value. This team is as famous as NART.
A car prepared in the period by them would be welcome at many vintage events and would be eligable for real FIA papers. It would make a great entry for Tour Auto, Historic Targa, etc. If this car has racing box, engine mods, done in the day it could well be worth it. 73 also it fully US legal as is
which is worth something too.

The 275 GTB I had was like this. It's wasn't a factory car but was prepared in the day and ran at the Targa and hillclimbs. Back then it was worth a bit more than other 275's and today I bet it's worth a lot more than other 275's.

 

VIN 6748.

 

But that car will never be on the market again while the current owner is still alive.

 

But the Dino register shows this car as modified in the 80's. Certainly not a period race car.

Left the factory Celeste Metal with Black leather P/W Euro spec car with Cromodoras.

In 87, it still had the leather seats, was red and had a modified engine and "star" wheels.

by 89, it had plexi side windows.

By 1990 it had the current color scheme.

Doesn't look to me like it has any 70's racing experience at all. Does anyone know anything about this car?

The dino register isn't fool proof, but it usually has info placed there by the owners of the car, so, why would they lie about how it was equipped?

DM

 

"Buyers should satisfy themselves prior to sale as to the condition of each lot and should exercise and rely on their own judgement as to whether the lot accords with its description."

Hmmm... I'm certainly not satisfied with the description of the car as a GTS.

 

After reading good ol' Dave's post. I agree with you totally. Its too bad it wasnt more toward what Napolis was saying being Francorchamp-preped etc. If it was 100% then I would concord with the auction's estimate as being fair.

I wouldnt pay more than $65K U.S unless I was proven wrong. Backyard amateur Spain-hillclimbing does not count

Vasco

 

"Buyers should satisfy themselves prior to sale as to the condition of each lot and should exercise and rely on their own judgement as to whether the lot accords with its description."

So true.

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I sent the following to Coys yesterday.

Good morning/afternoon.

The chassis number doesn't correspond to any Dino serial numbers. Do you have the manufacturer's VIN or serial # for this car? ...........
Do you know of any period competitions it was in?

Any and all information would be appreciated

This in response from them:

This is a misprint.

The chassis number is actually: 06748

The car was prepped by Francorchamps in 1975 for Barale.

It has been racing – on and off – every since.

Barale did not sell the car until 2001 – it was lasted used in an historic event in ’95.

I hope this helps.

This doesn't seem to exactly correspond to what the Dino Register lists, but, it is what the auctioneers have to say.

The Dino register is unclear as to number of owners and does show Maurice Barale as owner by 1989. There are some ownership gaps listed as "unknown" prior to that date.

 

Where is your holiday spirit Wayne? We could loose a few of those turkey pounds by sweating them off arguing for or against Jim's post!

 

Well it was a pretty blatant attempt to hijack this thread, wasn't it?

And we NEVER let that happen do we?

So, out with the reference to you know what.......

DM

 

Actually, Jim did make a very valid point about auction descriptions...

 

Why was that edited out of Jim's post?

 

In order to avoid another endless round of discussions about one of Jim's cars and its provenance, I suspect.

There is a thrad here that is titled "The one and only....." and that's where Wayne and the rest of the Mods Squad would like to keep that particular discussion.

DM

 

Ok....

 

Are there any Dinos that had a known competition history in the US? Heard a story the other day of a Dino that was race prepped and driven by PLN!

Al

 

PLN was well documented in his 308GTB..unsure on a Dino...

Thread from WAY back, eh?

I thought Jack Habits had returned from the dead.......or the Dead Zone, or where ever!

 

Have a look at www.qv500.com.

Very good write up of the cars that took part in period events.

Mark Shannon

www.markshannon.net

 

BigTex,

Yea, the thread is from way back but it was the closest I found related to Dinos in competition. The Budweiser 308 immediately comes to mind (I saw it a Cavallino a couple of years ago) but I can't dredge up any memories of a PLN in a Dino.

Mark,

The URL looked promising until I got to Dino 246 in Competition (http://www.qv500.com/indexferrari6.php). That page won't load.

Thanks,
Al