Brasilian GP - The Final Act ***Spoilers***

For most of this season it looked as if FM, LH and KR did not want to win the championship with all of there mistakes. Yes it was exciting to see the championship go down to the last corner. Did Glock move out of the way to let Hami through??? I seriously doubt that he did. Lets face it if the race was 70 laps not the 71 laps Massa would have won the championship.

Do i feel that he deserved to win it over Hami???? NO in my honest opinion neither one deserved the championship for this season I feel that either Kubica or Alonso should have been the champion based on the way Kubica drove the first half of the season he looked like he wanted it badly unfortunately the second half was not as kind to him. As for Alonso if he had the same car at the start of the season, that he had the past 4 races this would have been one lopsided championship.

Oh well the season is over and done. There was no FIA Sanction this year. NO Take out move on the track in the first corner. This year it ended up being a battle between Beavis and Butthead with Butthead being the victor.

Only just a little under 144 days till the start of a new season.

 

Rubens Barichello is a seasoned driver. Lewis Hambone, not so much.

This explains what happened today.

 

I think you meant "this race". I think there should be - against Kubica. Even if you assume that what he did wasn't malicious (and that would be a weak assumption), he was still completely out of line driving the way he did. He should be penalised prior to the 2009 season.

 

So, because you assume there would have been "dribble" from others, you have decided to flood the board with your dribble instead? Got it.

Hamilton has chosen his words well this year - fact of the matter is, people don't like him because he wins races in the competitors car. People didn't like Alonso either when he was winning races in a Renault, and people didn't like Montoya or Ralf when they were winning races in a Williams. As a matter of fact, even Kimi was much reviled 'round these parts before he went to Ferrari - some even said they would NEVER be able to support him.

As for how Hamilton handles himself, he doesn't need to cater to anyone's demands, least of all people expressing their sour grabes and dribbling over the fact that he beat their man at the last race. The idea that he has to somehow heal wounds with Ferrari fans is laughable.

 

CONGRATS Hammi. Congrats Massa. you gave your best ,and i think your a true racer. your post race comments says it all. it's fair to say now that Hammi isn't really bullet proof under pressure.

 

Maybe he did move over.

I remember last year some of the drivers said in the pre-race meeting that they had been told to keep it clean and bear in mind that other guys were out there racing for their WDC shot. I imagine the same was said to all the drivers the last few races this year.

I absolutely do not think Glock whimped out and rolled over in defeat... I would venture a guess that he had no idea what role he was playing in the WDC. Also, he was much slower than Vettel and Hamilton, and he had no hope of catching up really. His only shot would have been to drive in such a way as to hold up the faster guys behind. But, he knew he had been beaten, and so he didn't force the issue. Smart move, if what he says about the car being uncontrollable were true. I would pity the driver who pushed the issue and ended up taking out a WDC contender.

I think it is fair to say that there is clearly no backroom deals between Toyota and McLaren. They have no relationships together, and it could never have been known that this would happen - so clearly there is no way McLaren got in touch with Toyota and tried to work something out in such short time. I think Glock was taking a huge chance on sticking with dry tires, and when he saw 2 guys fighting for position barrelling down on him, he decided discretion was the better part of valor and didn't fight a fight he could not win.

 

He did nothing wrong in my view. He was simply quicker on the wets at that moment, and took advantage of the situation. That is nothing more than racing and taking a "No prisoners" Attitude. Lets face when the track is wet it becomes the great equalizer. Anything can happen with out warning in the rain. Sure his performance was not that great when the track was dry also the fact that he had to start from pit lane did not help matters one single bit. once the track became wet he and the car came alive. Nothing illegal nor against the rules there.

 

That is precisely what happened. The results of today's race decided the WDC. The planets aligned and LH got the exact minimum, in the last corner, to secure the DC. End of story.
As far as deserving it more than Massa, or if Fia is the greatest entertainment company ever, it's personal decision.

 

Congratulations to Massa, not only did he do everything he could to win today, but showed true class after coming so close. Timo Glock did not cost him the championship, team problems at Hungary and Singapore did, even taking back the "gifted" points from the FIA in Belgium, that those 2 wins that resulted in no points would have been enough. Congratulations to Lewis, he did a great job and is a special talent. Lookout for Vettel though! Kimi.... Great finish for an interesting season, looking forward to next year. Hopefully Max and Bernie can take a year off from screwing with F1 and the fans (Porno Max can go play with his Nazi hookers and go away forever, and Bernie can stop killing classic races, I know it won't happen, but you have to hope).

 

haha! Truer words.....

 

But the real answer is Yes.

Is that because dry tires work great in the wet?

Jealousy is an ugly thing.

Ha ha, wrong, wrong, wrong, in every way. Oh, and jealousy is an ugly thing.

OOOH. Jealousy is an even UGLIER thing now.

He deserved it after getting reamed so many times by the FIA fairy.

Exactly right about the aggression control. It seemed a given that he would finish 6th at the end, and an uncontrolled driver would have gone banzai to try and pass Vettel at any cost.

Genius...

Vettel is equal to any other driver in raw talent, that is obvious. He also learns fast. It is highly likely he will dominate in the future.

Again, today's race shows just the opposite. He was under the most intense pressure possible the last few laps and he didn't blow it. And no, being passed by Vettel wasn't blowing it. He was driving the car as fast as it could be driven under the conditions and he didn't crash, or go off, or make any banzai moves and he reaped the reward.

Massa proved all the naysayers wrong this year too. He came into his own during this season, and showed he has world champion potential even without drafting behind the FIA.


One last thing. Who was the idiot at the beginning of the season that made the LOSING $10K Massa bet?!!! I assume he doesn't post anymore?

Again

 

Wish I could have felt the excitement everyone else did over the final turn but the whole race through, I knew in my heart , McHam was the rightful WDC, regardless of the outcome. If you're a tifosi, not fond of LH and a fan of fair play, this race was an exercise in purgatory, there was no one to cheer for.

Thankfully, LH 'won' what he had legitimately become a race earlier and it is gratifying to hear similar comments coming from Fchatters who similarly recognized the Spa result for what it was.

 

Yep.

 

you should see what Glock got from McLaren today....

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220531

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I don't care who has met Hamilton, I've heard a LOT of his words. He's chosen the image he presents to the world, and he is hated by countless fans and many of the drivers for his ways. His arrogant comments are not isolated, they keep happening. Perhaps having the ultimate trophy so early will make him take a step back, be thankful for his good fortune and look at his behavior and how it affects others. Let's hope so. Either way, I hope he is CRUSHED by Ferrari next year.

 

Note Sector 2/3 times of the Toyota's. We all saw LH having a tough time holding the car in S2/3. And he was on intermediates...

This SHOULD (but won't) shut everyone up.

This is the last lap for the record, per the F1 live timing.
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After a emotional end to the race, and a sleepless night replaying the last lap over and over in my head - I would like to give my 2 cents worth.

I just hope that Massa gets another chance to win the WDC. To have it out of your reach with 5 laps to go, then to have it dropped in your lap with Vettel's overtake on LH; only to have it taken away again after you have crossed the finish line .... it must be devastating. It would have been far easier for him to accept if things had just ended the way they were with a couple laps to go.

Anyway, going into this race I thought in my heart that LH had the title sewn up and that he probably deserved it more. Not because he is a nice guy (I am still very undecided about this), or the better driver, and notwithstanding the fact that he is the ITV commentators favourite; but because he has been given some unfair penalties by the FIA. Sure Massa has had some horrendous mechanical luck and pitlane balls-ups, but that is racing.

As a die-hard tifosi I was surprised that I could think someone in a non-Ferrari could deserve the title, but there you go. I was embarassed by the Spa incident, just as I was embarrased by Jerez 1997 and absolutely mortified by Austria 2002. I just thought it was sad for Massa to be given that hope, with a lap to go, only for it to be yanked away again.

If he never gets to win the title I hope he can live with the fact that he came so close. He has my absolute support for the rest of his time at the Scuderia.

And what a gracious sportsman in the post race interview. You could see he was gutted, but he was still able to be the consumate gentleman. What an example. And no Timo-bashing as a lot of people here are doing. I was distraught when LH got past Glock, but I dont think he slowed on purpose, it was a case of being on the slick tyres; which is the only reason he was ahead of LH to begin with.

One last thing, I used to hate FA in 2005/6, but now I quite enjoy him and would welcome him to Ferrari if he comes there one day. After yesterday's race I would also welcome Vettel ... what a fighter, he almost got us the title.

Dave

 

No one is doubting that he was way slower Redhead. The issue is why he moved out of the way to let them pass. That's something you do when being overtaken by 1 lap - not when you have 200 meters to the finishline on the last lap


And seriously, people.. stop talking about FIA being "out to get" Hamilton, that's some hogwash if I ever heard anything.. There has been ONE incident where the decision could be MAYBE questioned.. all cases and FIA rulings have been according to the rules. Hamilton have not had it harder than other drivers this year. I have watched every single F1 race for the last 10 years or so, and think I know the rules pretty well. This year, I have only seen ONE case were the stewards decision could have been wrong, but maybe the decision was right. I think it was. I agree, if they were nice and willing to let it slip, they could.. But they didn't, and it was a punishable offense, and he got punished.

 

Jonas,

TG stayed on racing line.

As seen below, LH went to the inside of him and after SV passed TG, SV got back on line...as the other cars were racing the same line as SV, and TG. LH had to do the overtake on the inside of turn 12, off the racing line.

And that was between turn 11 and 12 of the 15 turn Interlagos....

Lets not let a good story get in the way of facts. (havent I said that already?)

It sucks for Massa but I really feel more for TG.

Oh, and you can call me Red. Thanks.
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Red

It's already on youtube?? Nice.. Yep, I can see what you mean. I only saw it quickly in the race, and from the angle I saw it, it looked like Glock moved out of the way in the last turn, but I can see Hamilton overtook him even before they reached that turn.. Fair play if you ask me.

But the crap about FIA being out get Hami still stands.. Hamilton haven't been punished more than he deserved, and there was still only one case were it could MAYBE be doubted if the decision was right.

 

It was posted on Youtube within 30 minutes of the race end.

 

why, because it was drier?

you do realise how slow glock was going right? hamilton on inters going off the racing line on to the part of the track his tyres preferred wasn't the pass of the century

because he clocked off early from his paying job, to be a race car driver trying to earn max points and block cars trying to pass and take away positions? he looked like a guy who was being showed the blue flag and was being lapped, but he wasn't.

 

you may know they don't, but the toyota didn't look like a car that was giving the driver a hard time in the corner. this happens when you hop off the go pedal.

 

Watch it again Mr Scud without the glasses ...

 

Just for "fun", and in keeping with the FIA "biased" manipulations of F1, here are this year's results as "manipulated":

1st: Massa 6, Hami 5
2nd: Massa 2, Hami 2
3rd: Massa 2, Hami 3
4th: Massa 0, Hami 0
5th: Massa 1, Hami 3
6th: Massa 1, Hami 0
7th: Massa 1, Hami 1
8th: Massa 0, Hami 0

10/8/6/5/4/3/2/1: Massa: 97, Hami 98

Before they wanted to keep Shumi from clinching too early:
10/6/4/3/2/1: Massa 83, Hami 80

Traditional ('61-'90) 9/6/4/3/2/1: Massa: 77, Hami 75

Yep, the FIA is rewriting the results.


Although through most of the "traditional" years, only your top "N" finishes counted towards your total, with "N" varying year to year. So manipulating the results with the points is nothing new.

Consider: in 1966 (the year of the film, "Grand Prix"), the points were 9/6/4/3/2/1 with only the top 5 results counting. With that system, both Lewis and Felipe would have 54 points for five wins. Massa's sixth win would be the tie-breaker. Of course, there were only nine races in 1966.