Exellent Jean!, tu as fait de loin d exellente photos, j adore quand la vie sourie de cette facon aux audacieux! le fait d avoir fait le voyage avec Hideki Yoshida c est deja une belle aventure, il vivait a Meudon pret de chez moi je n ai jamais pris le temps d aller le voir...je le regrette encore aujourd hui! magnifiques photographies, c est sympa de ta part de venir ici les partager avec nous.
Looking at the slide,i think it is not Charles Pozzi,it seem to be Jean Claude Bajol with no assurance.
Je vais faire une traduction rapide (et j'espère correcte) pour nos amis anglophones ;-) Here's the translation... Fabulous story from Athanase: These photos, he had to get them, it was not a piece of cake at all. Here, in two words... It was The 25th anniversary of the GTO, and someone told me: "the GTO's are parked at Pozzi's (French Ferrari importer)." I rushed to Levallois, but the place is better guarded than at the bank of France, with bodyguards everywhere. I do not know how, but I managed to get in. I've got little film left in my Nikon, no flash, and as I start taking some shots, I realized that the battery of the camera is almost flat: horror! Then I saw Hideki Yoshida (the Famous Ferrari Artist) who told me: "I'm going to Mas du Clos (Where Mr. Bardinon's famous Ferrari collection is located) tomorrow, I can take you but I have only one ticket." I'll take my chances. When we arrive, access is strictly guarded. Again, bodyguards everywhere and a guy from Ferrari Club France, who oversees everything. I'm very annxious because I'm in the middle of nowhere (French's Creuse countryside), it's raining, and if I cannot get in, I have to hitchhike back (to Paris)! The Ferrari Club guy seems to recognize me without being able to tell from where. I tell him a novel and he falls for it! pfeew.. Saved (understatement). Once inside I come across someone who tells me he must leave. Then he gives his pass and meal ticket (worth at least $1000!) Miracolo! I give my meal ticket to a surprised Hideki who can have dinner for free and, as for me, am able to make my photos quietly since everyone was eating and drinking. For the first picture, I still remember it now, twenty years later, I climbed onto a cement light post, and balancing myself on one foot I had to do the framing, focusing, and then shooting. And then falling, 1: do not break the camera, 2: does not break any body part! It was quite an act of athleticism! These are, in two words, the story behind these photos.
I don't have high res pics of those cars but here are some medium ones... (copyrights on the pics) What are the S/N of those 4 litre cars? I have: 330 GTO s/n 4561 330 GTO s/n 3765 But I believe, I'm missing 1 car... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
only two 330 GTO: 3765LM and 4561SA. the car in the pictures is 4561SA from Carlo Voegele/Switzerland.
Thanks Michael for the clarification. I read somewhere else the supposedly 3rd 330 GTO was in fact another car converted...
yes i think you are talking about 3673SA - a 400 Superamerica with a SWB style body. The GTO body was a later conversion of 3673SA, so i do not count it as a 330 GTO.
Third car was 3673SA, the Nurburgring 4 liter GTO, that finished 1st in class, second overall (to a Ferrari 246SP). All three 4 liter GTOs are different. The first one is the only one originally built with the 1st version of the 1st series of bodies (modified to fit the chassis and motor) and ran with 3 Weber 46 DCFs (like on a SEFAC), not six DCNs, although it currently has six 42 DCNs on the car. 3765LM had the 2nd version of the 1st series body and was built on a completely different chassis. The chassis on 3673SA and 4561 are very similiar. 4561 has the big hump because it is on a 400SA SWB chassis so the engine sits up higher. When you put six 42DCNs on with velocity stacks, they're up pretty high. The three carb setup allowed for a much smaller bulge in the hood. 3765LM was built specifically for LeMans and is the "best" of the three from a technical standpoint as a race car. The engine sits much lower in that frame. I'm not sure why Ferrari built 4561 so long, approximately one year, after the first two. Steve
Can someone explain me why there is such controversy with that car (3673SA)? Is there a thread about it in Fchat?
Well, in my opinion, I think it is as simple as someone got fooled by an abbreviated build/data sheet that was developed for the car when it was delivered to a private customer for the first time. For the first 36 years after the race, there was no controversy. All the recoreds, photographers that took pictures of the cars at the race, etc. listed the car as 3673. Then, I believe, in 1998 an article was written about 3765, a wonderful car. In that article, it implied that 3673 couldn't have been the Nurburgring car because it wasn't completed in time for the May 1962 Nurburgring race. While 3673 clearly is an earlier VIN than 3765, the information about the completion date comes from this abbreviated build/data sheet. As far as I know, there was never much thought given as to why such an early VIN (basically April 1962) would have been issued to a car that wasn't completed until Oct/Nov 1962? Then there was some spin trying to explain why the Nurburgring and LeMans 4 liter GTOs look different, but could be the same car. Basically, the Nurburgring car has the earlier verison of the GTO bodywork, the LeMans car a later version. The changeover happend about 3700 if I remember right. 3765 looks like the GTOs built around its VIN, 3673 looks like the GTOs built around its VIN. Nothing tough to explain there. Bottom line is that Ferrari probably caused some of the controversy by issuing the new abbreviated build/data sheet when they delivered the car to the customer. Even on that build sheet there are inconsistencies. It probably was just a quicky to put something down on paper. Obviously, I'm leaving out what happened in the re-body in the eighties. This sort of thing keeps in interesting. Anyway, just my opinion (keeps the lawyers happy). Steve
Salut Christian, J'ai optimisé les images pour toi ;-) Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Merci etant donne que je n ai aucun moyen sur mon PC de remplacement ca aide un peu.... a other one in B&W Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wrong. The factory has confirmed that the Nurburing car is 3765LM. I have the complete build sheet on 3673SA and 37655LM and I have inspected the cars in 1975 and of late. 3673SA is, and according to my inspection, the build sheet and the factory, a 400 SA. It does not have3 one GTO component on the chassis. It is today a 400SA and always has been. I have inspected the factory records personally. The car was special ordered with a special body (SWB). on a 400SA chassis. Regards
Build sheets say: 3673 SA = Chassis type 538 = 400 Superamerica. 3765 = Chassis type 539/566 = GTO. Marcel Massini
I agree. 3673SA has a 400SA SWB chassis and 3765 has a GTO chassis, modified for the 4 liter motor of course. Steve
Ah, just one of the many reasons why Ferraris are fun. Lots of interesting twists and turns. This one more so than most. Steve
