Chipped 360 faster than 360CS?

sounds like even more fun. But just because it now has 5-10hp more than the CS doesnt mean it is faster, the CS is still A LOT lighter. But enough talking, race one and find out. =)

 

how much does an ECU upgrade cost? and where in california would I go to get one?

Hell, an added 40hp aint too shabby.

 

There was the Super Speeders DVD produced by Rob here on the boards, where their stock 360 consistantly pulled on 2 360Cs's if I remember correctly

 

Indeed you are right Bointc,and then after he dynoed the 360 to show its power.
Cablesurge i have the Hamonn chip in my 355 which improves the fueling and power band and adds 15-20 bhp along with a de-cat Capristo. My rear wheel power is 328 compared to the standard 315ish, and its more than the standard 320ish of a 360. I did post up the Dyno read out 3 months ago.
Can you post up your Dyno read out for us? 30-40 extra BHP seems an awful lot as a stand alone chip. Have you aftermarket exhaust and filters as well?? That would make 360 BHP at the wheels!!!!!! Can we see the read outs mate?

 

Same exact thought/question...

I have a Euro 360 spider, I'd love to get that kind of power: where & how much PLEASE!!!!

....and how exactly does it do it????

 

hey steve, I found this site..

http://www.dynocomp.com/ferrari.php?view=ferrari

not the same numbers, but if you go with their ECU re-mapping, air intake, and exhaust you can be pushing your HP numbers up 35-40. Looks like they may be located in Arizona as well.

You and I should take a drive down there

 

Did they give you a before and after dyno showing a 25+hp at the wheels improvement on your car, or did they just advise you this was the case?
A number of tuning firms appear to provide "manufactured" dyno sheets showing increased power from their products. I have seen first hand some of these, including reputable firms that on some car have had great results, but on others, measurably lost power.
Not saying that you haven't got what you paid for, chip tuning power increases are real when done properly. I would suggest however that the max performance gain on a 360 re-tuned for 98RON or 100RON (95RON is standard) octane fuel would be in the order of 25hp, so claims of 30hp to 40hp should be regarded with suspicion, without proof. If your car was tuned with generic programming ie not done on the dyno, just having the ECU's sent off and a new programme installed, this is the first sign that the claims are likely to be exagerated. I know of a customer whose Ferrari lost over 20kw at the wheels after one of these "upgrades".This came to light when the workshop dynoed the car after the job and saw very low numbers. They borrowed my standard ECU's to see if it was the chip tuning. or something else causing the problem. This showed catagorically it was the chip. The chip tuning company, to its credit, offered to re-do the car, but the customer understandably chose to go elsewhere.

 

Classic coach said they can get me 460hp dyno proven with: ecu reflash, race filters, and Maranello exhaust

 

That's more than a Michelotto race motor produces.....

 

Right! there was a guy on the Rennlist who asked why buy a TT when you can;

he added up all the claimed HP increases of intakes, exhausts and chips and it was the same as a TT!

Now, I'm getting into to racing on the track so I'm no expert there, but I have built (OK, I'm not the wrench, I paid to have built) a couple of very powerful cars. As in the case of many guys I first went thru the whole bolt-on thing.

Bottom line, if you like the sound, fine. But none of those will provide enough grunt to overcome a more experienced driver if you meet him/her. On the street, a couple of tenths in the quarter is all you'll get, and on the track, those differences in power will get you next to nothing.

BTW, if that chip you're talking about raises the cutoff to 9500 and you have not changed the valve train, you are in a very dangerous situation. You could cause a VERY EXPENSIVE engine failure with that set up.

You need at least 25% more real HP to have a faster car, really.

I marvel that folks think the manufacturers, with all their experience in design and build and all their test facilities are not as smart as a couple of guys in a garage with a CNC, a computer and a welding torch. manufacturers do have some limitations due to emissions, noise and reliability considerations, but believe me, they know exactly what is going on and are getting near the max from the engine given the operating parameters.

over on R-list one of these tuner guys decided to do a free install (parts were paid for though) to a guy's 997 and was bragging about how much power he would get. I bet him $1000 he would not get it. He never took the bet and he was lucky. Even on his pre and post dyno, with intake, exhaust and chip he got low 20's in HP increase. That was taking the lowest pre to the highest post too. On an independant dyno he probably would have even more bird to eat.

If you want a faster car you have two realistic choices (OK, three. buy a faster car is one) Increase displacement or pre-compress the charge (turbo or supercharge). Cams, head/flow work and intake/exhaust will help some but not a whole lot either. Chips and bolt-ons are a near-waste.

 

Great post Herman.....everything I always suspected and ultimately knew was the case all along...substantiated! THANKS!

But professional wrestling is real...right?????

 

On the Porsche this may be the case, but the Ferrari is no where near as advanced.
The Ferrari ECU is far more conservatively tuned than either Porsche or BMW Motorsport. Ferrari, for example, over richens the mixture at higher revs, where Porsche and BMW do not. This is easily seen in AFR plots where both the Porsche and BMW hold an AFR of close to 13.2 from torque peak to red line, where a Ferrari starts correctly but richens to high 11's/low 12's, losing significant power in the process. Timing is much more conservative in the Ferrari as well.
In testing by ELF a 996GT3 saw an increase of 26hp at the wheels using ELF LMS race fuel, with no other changes, principly because of the agressive ECU settings that could take advantage of the fuel. http://www.racefuels.com.au/dynoDetail.asp?ID=20 I have seen the gain on my Ferrari was just over 5hp, from the higher oxygen content of the fuel.

Exhaust systems on 996's typically show very small gains, where replacement headers (sans pre cats) are showing dyno proven gains in the order of 20-25hp on the 360 as demonstrated by a sponsor here, Harmony Autosport.

On my 550, by nothing more than changing to BMC CDA's and replacing the factory exhaust system completely with a twin 3" race system with no cats, saw an improvement from a base 280kw at the wheels, to 350kw at the wheels on pump petrol with standard ECU's and 380Kw on race fuel, tuned to suit.

 

Good reply!!! Let's see the pre and post dyno, not the endless hype of the chip manufacturers. IMHO, I wouldn't place too much importance on purported 15, 25, 30 HP gains. You'd hardly notice it, if at all. What's important is the torque gain that would move a chipped 360 possibly faster than a 360CS, not HP gain at 8500 rpms. And without a dyno to show real torque gains, it's all just hype. Moreover, if you want to tout torque gains of 25% or up to 60 ft/lbs on the 360 modena, go look at EUROTEC's ridiculous claims and the endless threads on this subject requesting proof from the manufacturer, for over a year, that never materialized. Mostly hype my friends; save your money.

 

Apparently you can have the 360CS software downloaded on to a normal 360 too. More power/driveability and quicker gearchanges.

Anyone actually done this ?

Rick

 

We chipped our 360 with Eurotek's services, we did not get the peak dyno gains they promised us, however throughout the range the car did have noteable increases and the throttle response seemed to be improved, the 9300rpm increase is also handy.

I will say this as a dealer of multiple chip products out there. I don't believe any of them claim the real hp and this is the reason none of them have real dyno's. If somebody tells you 35-40hp, they're full of crap not on an N/A car! Realistically it's more like 10-15hp, the important thing to note is that peak hp is not everything, you will see gains all through-out the rev-range which is what is more important for us and I'm sure many other people.

On our website we claim Eurotek and Imola's and any other chip tuning company we carry out there because we have to, but as soon as anyone orders one I will call and have a long discussion letting them know exactly what they are purchasing.

So if you're looking to get an extra 10-15hp, improved throttle response, and an overall better driving experience give us a shout, if you're looking for promises of 30-45hp, there's no chip I can sell you that will give you this.

Regards,
Kevin

 

I was a CS Eurotek sceptic; they had my ECUs there twice, with Hyperflows cats it was all kinda so so, vs Chip tuning on a Porsche 996TT, then I changed the air filters to K&N and it suddenly came together in a massive way, it will spin the wheels in second gear in the dry very easily. Very worthwhile in retrospect but add the caveat that we have 98 Octane fuel in Europe.

They now supply changed air filters with all ECU tuning

 

next thing we know there'll be a thread about "360CS engine swap into a regular 360"

Dan's (FinancialMan) 360 is a very FAST 360 and he pulled on me several times.

Btw, you said the chip increases the redline to 9500 RPMS?? That's gonna turn your pistons blue over time.. better not hit the rev-limiter too often.. LOL.

 

So Ferrari doesn't know how to tune an engine?

 

The question I've struggled with is this chip/reflash so expensive for the 360? One can buy a chip for 348 or 355 or F40 for 1/8th the money. I had a pair of TPS chips in my previous Mondial T for years. I had considered doing the same thing for my 360 but TPS didn't offer one, and the price from Eurotek and others drove me away.



Lou

 

Lou,

Retail pricing on the 360 is $3,995.00, I can of course provide a discount but you'll have to contact me privately due to minimum advertised pricing agreements.

Regards,
Kevin

 

For what ever reason, they chose to tune much more conservatively. Without a change in fuels, IMO there is very little, if anything to be gained from chipping a NA 996/997 or BMW M.
Did you follow the linK for the Dyno testing of the GT3 by ELF in Australia? Very impressive power gain from fuel only!