Helping a friend sell his 6.0

Less than 155K? Sounds like one hell of a deal. I'd take it in a heart beat if I had the funds. Titanium is my favorite color for the 6.0.

 

Sounds like a real clean example. I remember when the guy (can't remember his name) got this car. I think he posted some photos on F-chat. No doubt this one will be snapped up quickly!

 

I'm also looking for a 6.0 but, like A.J., prefer lower miles. I am not to keen on aquiring a car that has had its engine removed to replace the clutch. Clutch should last longer unless car was previously abused. Had a shot at a 6.0 at M.I. with about 3500 miles but they wanted 192K and when I tried to negotiate they never called me back. I think they must have found a buyer at the $192K number. Titaniun is my favorite car also. Does anyone know how many 6.0's came to the US with a factory installed wing?

 

Nice pictures!! The driveway pavers really help show the car off.

 

A.J. When I was younger I drove many cars with manual transmissions and, even though I did not have any real training and drove aggressively I never burn't a clutch out. That was back in the 60's when clutch technology was not what it is today. I can only surmise that the clutch on a 6.0 is either so poorly designed, weak, etc that a little improper use can burn it out or, drivers unfamiliar with the AWD system limitations do multiple drag race starts, thinking they can spin the rear tires (they cannot without damaging the clutch) and in the process burn out the clutch. Maybe it is a combination of both of the above.
Its a shame that the only way to replace a clutch in the 6.0 and other Lambo's is to pull the engine. (about 12K to RR according to Ultimate Motors in Orlando, a Lamborghini Dealer) but that just the way it is with a Lambo. Its gives one more incentive to be careful. Certainly there are owners out there who bought their cars new and still have the original clutch after 20 or 30K statuate miles. I know a couple of these owners and they do drive their cars with some aggresivness and do not just baby the cars.
I would recommend that any potential Lambo buyer ask the seller/dealer to provide an up to date computer readout (LDAS) and then have someone help them to read it. At least they will have some idea as to how the car has been driven and, especially, if there have been any over "red line" RPM excursions. I did all of these thing plus a PPI when I bought my Diablo and have been rewarded with a good, sound machine.
With no warranty remaining from the factory these cars can get expensive to repair. Plus, all the down time (car in service center) can get old in a hurry. Even with a brand new car a friend of mine from N.Carolina had to have Lamborghini buy it back under threat of a "lemon law" law suit. It was a 6.0. Before Lambo took it back the Warranty repair bills were approaching 100K. I saw the bills and can verify. Just about everything that could go wrong did.
So, do your Due Dilligence before buying any Lambo and be sure that you are prepared to handle the costs of ownership should the worst case scenerio happen. Then the rewards of driving and owning the car will bring a smile to your face!

 

A.J. Do you know if the clutch is any better/stronger in the Murcielago? With Audi's involment I am curious if they have fixed this.. "The clutches in Diablos have never been strong enough to handle the engine power". Especially in light of the fact that the engine has to come out to RR the clutch you would think that Audi would make the clutch as bullit proof as possible. With all the experiance that Audi has and all the improved technology in this the 21st Century you would think that this issue about the clutch should hardly be an issue at all. BTW. my Lambo service manager says its 100 hours to RR the engine with clutch change. 100hrs X $112hr = $11200. I will verify this Monday. Appreciate your view point on all of this.

 

AJ,

How do you back up without hurting the clutch?

Thanks

 

Hey Bob,
Let me verify pricing on the clutch. It costs about 8k to do one here at my store. It very much veries from store to store. There is another dealer that will charge you 15k for the same job. As for the yellow car that had to be bought back, that is not the whole story I am afraid. A lot of the costs with that particular car were paint issues and towing. I sold that car after Lambo bought it back with full disclosure and the owner has never had a problem with it and loves the car. That was and still is one of the nicest Diablos that I have seen.
As for the engine being out, that should not worry anyone. Engines have to come out of these cars for multiple reasons and they were made to have this operation performed. They always go back in as good as new and sometimes better.
As for the 16k Diablo, I sold that car to the guy who is remarketing it. The car is a stand up car. It has a new clutch, new plugs and coils I believe, and had a full service when it was here before I sold it. If the car is like I sold it, the car is stand up and runs just like a 1k mile car. The guy who owns it takes excellent care of his stuff and the guy that bought his 1997 355 berlinetta he traded with me is still happily driving it around with no issues and also just had it at our track event.

Chris

 

I would wholeheartedly trust Lambo Atlanta to do a clutch job. Fair and honest folks there.

-Ben

 

How many 6.0s came to the US as US spec? How many are there world wide? Thanks in advance.

 

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Chris: If your implying that most of the repair cost on that yellow Diablo was paint and towing then I suggest you take a look at copies of the invoice's. Just about everything that could go wrong with a 6.0 did. Why do you think Lamborghini bought the car back? Because of paint and towing issues? I don't think so. Also, by buying it back there was NO lemon law history to show up on a Carfax. And believe me the owner would have won in court. Lamborghini knew that and took it back. I have spoken with the original owner and it was not a pretty story.
As for the clutch issue, yes we know that drivers can burn the clutch out by not driving the car correctly, even though they may be driving responsiby.
However we also know that there are those drivers who will abuse the car from day one. Hammer it continuously and over rev the engine. Drag strip starts, etc. If I come across a car that has had the engine out,clutch change I have no way of knowing for sure how that driver treated that car. As close as I can come is, an A.J. agrees with this, get the LADS readout, Carfax, PPI, etc. Hopefully that will give you some idea about how the car has been driven. As for engine removal and replace, it Lambo may have made it relatively easy to do and it may be no big thing for some people but I prefer to buy a car that will not have to face this expensive and time consuming work. Hopefully by performing "Due Dilligence" during the buying process a potential owner can avoid this expensive and time consuming issue.

 

Bob,
I am implying that a good portion of it was paint and tow. Also issues with the cats getting to hot. That is what did some of the paint damage. I read all of the R.O.s and believe me it didn't seem that bad. I did not own the car though so I cannot fully understand what he was going through nor could anyone else. I personally drove that car and it was pristine when I was in it and ran fabulously. I guess Lamborghini did not have to much of a problem getting it fixed.
As for the clutch, wear issues, abuse, etc... That I guess in the eye of the beholder. I just don't believe that because a car has had a clutch inside of X,XXX miles means that it is not worthy of being purchased. Now for you, you want to buy a car a certain way and in a "percieved" condition and that is fine for you. But I would not jump to a conclusion that a car is not worthy based on whether or not it has had a clutch. I will agree wholeheartedly that getting the computer download is a good idea though. I actually gave one to the guy who bought this particular car from me as part of his deal. I think the biggest thing is making sure that you buy from someone who sells quality cars on a consistent basis and does some kind of a mechanical quality check before letting the car get on the sale floor. This is not the case with many of the dealers now selling these cars.

Chris

 

But I would not jump to a conclusion that a car is not worthy based on whether or not it has had a clutch.


Let me put it this way. I would prefer to buy a car that has NOT had the clutch replaced especially with so few miles on it. I would simply try to find a car with as few issues as possible and then due the computer readout, PPI, demo drive, etc, Carfax, etc. There are plenty of cars available that have NOT had the clutch replaced and have very few issues overall. I bought one of those cars and have been rewarded with an excellent car. I guess if the price of the car was lowered that might make it attractive to some people but I personaly prefer to find as pristine a car as possible. That is exactly what I did.

 

What kind of clutch does the 6.0 use? Cerametallic? Are there any carbon clutches that fit the 6.0 for a little more slip-ability?

 

If there aren't I'm sure Tilton or RPS will gladly make a Carbon Carbon clutch.

Forza,
Kevin

 

You said "Yes, it is a "solid" price, based on the current market. I considered buying it, but ....everyone knows I'm a low miles fanatic

Your roadster has what 1500 miles? It looks to me like you prefer cars with way less than 10K miles so I suspect most of the cars you buy still have the original clutch. Finding a low mileage car that has been driven properly works for me. Less issues, less problems later....hopefully! Bottome line,,you make your choice and pay your money!