Official Thread: 250 GTO Rebody on GTE s/n 3873 - Page 4

FandLcars · #61 10-08-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kds

How much do they think it is worth ?

IMO, the price would be the cost to physically reproduce a GTO, plus cost for the difficulty of putting together and managing the team to do it. Not sure if full dimensions are available or difficult to get, but IMO something like $5 Million is way too high... that buys a lot of Vintage Ferrari(s).

**Fast_ian** · #62 10-08-2008, 02:15 PM

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But IMO something like $5 Million is way too high... that buys a lot of Vintage Ferrari(s).

Not sure I agree there - For the following reason:

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The car was finished in 1993 and Paul raced the car ar a number of events in Europe until it was discovered that it was a 3873 not 4115 and he was told not to come back with the car to the events.

That must have killed any value.....

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Since then FIA has agreed to accept cars that meet very stringent requirements. S/N3873 in fact was inspected in 2005 by Jeremy Hall (FIA) representative England. He after a day long inspection gave the car its FIA passport allowing it to run in all vintage races and Milli's anywhere in the world. Jeremy indicated that FIA would only accept approx 6 rebodied GTO'S the 3 that Smith did and 3 more that were done by Wayne Obrey in Wisconsin as they were the only one's that are in fact correct in every way to the original.

If that's true - There are 6 "new" cars out there - then that's still a pretty elite group.

just my 02c,
Cheers,
Ian
PS - It took my breath away as well - Thanks to the OP!

nopassn · #63 10-08-2008, 02:21 PM

That's a stunner for sure. Got to be the best replica GTO I've ever "seen." Thanks to the O.P.

**Napolis** · #64 10-08-2008, 02:27 PM

The car IMO is worth about 200K. It's been for sale for years. Last time I saw it it was leaving on a flatbed after being hit by a
car as it left Quail's parking lot (Not Lawn).

The idea that it's worth 5 million IMO is sad, stupid, and silly. The odds of it selling at that price are IMO ZERO.

amenasce · #65 10-08-2008, 02:45 PM

Nose is a little on the high side no ?

But it is definitely the best i have seen. For $200k, it would make an awesome daily driver.

**Kds** · #66 10-08-2008, 03:46 PM

It "is" a beautiful tribute to the original Daytona.......I sorta had a figure of $3-400K to duplicate one in my head......and Jim is at $200K already built......so maybe we're both right. You usually can count on buying stuff like this for 50 cents on the dollar after the fact.

Kevin2772 · #67 10-08-2008, 03:50 PM

So there is nothing original about it? Its not even a donor 250 remade into a GTO? Just a completely custom fabricated 250GTO? Looks amazing but without it being real how could it possibly be worth 5mil!?

**ferrarip4** · #68 10-08-2008, 03:55 PM

Let's compare this to a REAL Silver GTO, 4153GT...

**ferrarip4** · #69 10-08-2008, 04:04 PM

Rear views... and interior...

All in all, looks like a good reproduction. ONe thing though is the "bare bone" look of the real GTO. Maybe they put padding and mats in the fake one as they were afraid it would not stand a critical look of the inide?

**msdesignltd** · #70 10-08-2008, 04:14 PM

Hate to say it, the imposter looks better...

hated to say that

seems like the real one has rear flares and only 2 side forward vents

**VisualHomage** · #71 10-08-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by msdesignltd

Hate to say it, the imposter looks better...

hated to say that

seems like the real one has rear flares and only 2 side forward vents

I was thinking the same thing actually. The replica has everything reproduced for what appears to be an exact attention to detail and proportion. And it looks totally new and clean. It's probably the best replica of a Ferrari ever created.

**ferrarip4** · #72 10-08-2008, 04:58 PM

There were lots of variations on GTOs and no one looked like another, that's for the side vents... Also in certain cars some vents were added and then removed (3589GT comes to mind) The point is to look at the general proportions of the copy and compare it to a real one. We must not forget that real GTOs are 46 or so old and must show patina (except for the over restored ones). Patina is a big part of the value of a 250GTO: the rare 2-3 ones that have not been restored are the ones that command the crazy prices ($28 Million or so).

I, for my part like the "bare" look of the real car as it was meant to be a race car (no mats, perplex windows, bare aluminium...). Also you can enjoy the V12 symphony better ;-).

**ferrarip4** · #73 10-08-2008, 05:05 PM

Check these pics of an unrestored GTO 3647GT. Isn't real time patina the best or what???

Someone said that a car can be restored many times but is original only once...

Ferrari_Michael · #74 10-08-2008, 05:27 PM

Personally, that appeals much more to me then the polished, restored versions. Real history, Real vintage, Real Pedigree, Real Ferrari.

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Originally Posted by ferrarip4

Check these pics of an unrestored GTO 3647GT. Isn't real time patina the best or what???

Someone said that a car can be restored many times but is original only once...

**Ferariguy3** · #75 10-08-2008, 06:30 PM

Took these pics of the same car

**Ferariguy3** · #76 10-08-2008, 06:34 PM

and another

**VisualHomage** · #77 10-08-2008, 08:45 PM

very wonderful pictures; you can see the hand-built essence of it at this level of resolution.

**Jackmb1** · #78 10-08-2008, 09:39 PM

I don't think that car will ever sell for $5M. Wow, I was just thiniking all the Ferrari's I could buy for $5M.

**Meister** · #79 10-08-2008, 10:45 PM

IMO the orginal GTO is on some level awkward, yet the most bueatiful thing ever produced.

Most of the repos filter out that little bit of awkwardness (an inch here, a slight roll there, a minor degree here etc). Yet those litttle, almost imperceptible difference make them completly off.

I've only seen 3-5 actuall GTO's and probably 2 fiarly good fakes. Yet even as a layman GTO follower, but as a very visual person I can see the differences.

Although not side by side and not eaxctly the same angle, comparing the 2 silver cars, the repo f'd up on the side vents the head lights. Similarly, the window rake on the repo is sexier, but the "increased" rake on the OEM GTO is part of the awkwardness/bueaty mix I spoke of before.

The repo does not have the defined rear 1/4 panel to rear deck line/rake/seam that the OEM does....etc.

Every once in a while a couple of guys with hammers and skills churn out a timeless design that even given today's technology can't totally be reproduced. Cars are one of those areas. GTO's, GT-40's, 917's, 67 vettes, Cobra's, XJ-13...the list goes on. No matter how hard they try, they can not repo the OEM car.

And FWIW, even if I had the $ I would persoanlly be ashamed to either drive and/or own a fake like this let alone show up in one. IMO you should either buy a real one or sit on the sidleines and appreciate.

Fakes and repos simply diminish the value of the real deal. And if a person really appreciates/loves the real deal they would honor that by not buying fake.

Over/out

**ferrarip4** · #80 10-09-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackmb1

I don't think that car will ever sell for $5M. Wow, I was just thiniking all the Ferrari's I could buy for $5M.

Actually this car would be one of the most desirable GTOs in the market today. As I said before non-restored originals GTOs are the ones that command a premium. One of those recently sold for $28M or so recently...

Of course with the state of the economy, prices of GTOs will drop like the rest of the Ferraris...