NASCAR Nationwide series - Page 2

ferraripete · #21 07-06-2012, 10:25 PM

yes, she had a very very fast car! THE super speedway package period. she ran alone as fast as those others in the draft. she won't fare as well at indy because it is not a flat foot track like daytona and daga.

**4re Nut** · #22 07-06-2012, 10:27 PM

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On a side note, did anyone catch the shot of Kyle Bush sliding his car to a stop on pit road. He wrecked past the exit of pit road then turned around and drove it back down pit road at high speed while people were jumping over the pit road wall onto pit road before he slid it to a stop.

Yep, I was hoping he'd be on the post race interview circuit to explain it but he wasn't. I imagine a fine and/or suspension forthcoming?

**Str8shooter** · #23 07-06-2012, 10:49 PM

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Yep, I was hoping he'd be on the post race interview circuit to explain it but he wasn't. I imagine a fine and/or suspension forthcoming?

That was a huge safety issue and I say FIRE him

**4re Nut** · #24 07-06-2012, 11:02 PM

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That was a huge safety issue and I say FIRE him

...and replace him with the other KB.

**Str8shooter** · #25 07-28-2012, 04:32 PM

The start at Indy today was so messed up.

The pole sitter always starts the race. It is their advantage and they must cross the start / finish line first.
The onboard camera CLEARLY shows the #54 AND #18 taking off first and beating the pole sitter to the line.
They both should've been black flagged with a drive through penalty or worse.

NASCAR blew the call and gave the announcers a BS excuse that was NEVER the case in any other start at any race.

I'm so mad I can't even watch the race.

ferraripete · #26 07-28-2012, 05:34 PM

nice drive danica! you are truly holding up to my pre season forecast.

btw, danica...how did all your indy experience and the best equipment work out for you?

**Str8shooter** · #27 07-28-2012, 05:40 PM

Now they black flag the #2 car for jumping the start and doing EXACTLY what the #54 did at the start of the race.

Total flip flop BS.

ferraripete · #28 07-28-2012, 05:46 PM

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Now they black flag the #2 car for jumping the start and doing EXACTLY what the #54 did at the start of the race.

Total flip flop BS.

sad to see that. elliot is fighting for his life in nascar and to win the championship is really what he needs to stay in the sport. i am sorry to have seen the bacl flag. i agree with you...seems like selective rulling

**Str8shooter** · #29 07-28-2012, 06:36 PM

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sad to see that. elliot is fighting for his life in nascar and to win the championship is really what he needs to stay in the sport. i am sorry to have seen the bacl flag. i agree with you...seems like selective rulling

NASCAR has a history of being inconsistent with judgement calls and it's annoying to say the least. One bad call can change a driver's race or even his career.

As for Sadler I can't give him any pity after he tried to stab me the back at the track for my woman

**4re Nut** · #30 07-29-2012, 11:05 AM

Shucks, I missed the race yesterday but did see this on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Elliott_Sadler

tervuren · #31 07-30-2012, 05:14 PM

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Now they black flag the #2 car for jumping the start and doing EXACTLY what the #54 did at the start of the race.

Total flip flop BS.

Start of the race is the difference.

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Pemberton said the late restart was different from a situation at the start of the race, when Kyle Busch overtook pole-sitter Kasey Kahne, and yet didn't receive a penalty. At the start, Pemberton said, the leader can be overtaken on the restart if in NASCAR's judgment he doesn't get up to speed quickly enough, which was the case there. "Looking at replays, the leader absolutely did not go," he said, "so that's why there was a no-call on that."

But that stipulation applies only to the start of the race, when the flagman and not the leader is in control of the restart. In Sadler's case, he needed to give the position back to avoid a penalty. There is no defined span of time in which that has to be done. "The drivers know, the spotters know, the crew chiefs know what they need to do in the opportunities that come up to give them a chance to make those corrections," Pemberton said.

If Sadler gave the lead back, no penalty, Sadler took off.

And the Busch brother's know all the rules about starts and restarts, and if they can get away with something, they will.

**Str8shooter** · #32 07-30-2012, 07:01 PM

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Start of the race is the difference.

If Sadler gave the lead back, no penalty, Sadler took off.

And the Busch brother's know all the rules about starts and restarts, and if they can get away with something, they will.

Could you please go to youtube and find me two examples of where the car starting in the second position at the beginning of the race beats the pole sitter across the start line.

As for kahne not starting, the sound on his onboard camera clearly shows he hadn't touched the gas and was just planning his start. He didn't spin his tires. He was just preparing to start the race just like every other pole sitter has when the #18 and whatever Hamlin was driving clearly jumped the start. No way the guy in third should beat the pole sitter to the line let alone the second place car.

I don't care what kind of explanation NASCAR gives to spin the situation. That is not how they start races and even the announcers were taken back by how flagrant it was. You'll see what I'm talking about after watching the first thirty or forty youtube videos

tervuren · #33 07-31-2012, 07:56 PM

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Could you please go to youtube and find me two examples of where the car starting in the second position at the beginning of the race beats the pole sitter across the start line.

As for kahne not starting, the sound on his onboard camera clearly shows he hadn't touched the gas and was just planning his start. He didn't spin his tires. He was just preparing to start the race just like every other pole sitter has when the #18 and whatever Hamlin was driving clearly jumped the start. No way the guy in third should beat the pole sitter to the line let alone the second place car.

I don't care what kind of explanation NASCAR gives to spin the situation. That is not how they start races and even the announcers were taken back by how flagrant it was. You'll see what I'm talking about after watching the first thirty or forty youtube videos

I do not have access to youtube most of the time, as I don't have internet, and I don't care to have its distraction at work. However, I'm pretty sure Kyle Busch has done this before as I remember some controversy over it.

Also, NASCAR gave this issue a bit of time in the CUP driver's meeting the next day, interesting transcript. They said the leader needs to go, not brake check, playing games, etc. The start is controlled by the flagman, and if the leader chooses to make it look like he's going, then slows up to trick the field, his loss, he needed to accelerate smoothly.

The start is controlled by the flag man, and if the leader plays around and doesn't go, NASCAR will make an exception, they want the start of the race to be the green flag, its the way it should be. Imagine if at Le Mans in the Le Man's start, if they waved the starting flag, and the pole sitter chose to tie his shoe laces, then run? Kinda ruins the fun of waving the flag.

NASCAR says cars get torn up from leaders messing around with false restarts and brake checks, and if they don't step up to the responsibility of making a smooth restart, they will start to micro manage, and they(NASCAR) don't want to do that, and the drivers wouldn't want them to either.

**Str8shooter** · #34 08-18-2012, 03:37 PM

Attention all Canadian race spectators:

Could you PLEASE keep your dang shoes on

**4re Nut** · #35 08-18-2012, 03:43 PM

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Attention all Canadian race spectators:

Could you PLEASE keep your dang shoes on

Yep. Still seems TBD whether that caused Danica's issues.

**Str8shooter** · #36 08-18-2012, 03:50 PM

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Yep. Still seems TBD whether that caused Danica's issues.

I'm trying to book a flight there now so I can stand at the gate and look for a drunk with one shoe on

**4re Nut** · #37 08-18-2012, 04:05 PM

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I'm trying to book a flight there now so I can stand at the gate and look for a drunk with one shoe on

And/or a shirt that reads Danica Hater.

**4re Nut** · #38 08-18-2012, 04:38 PM

G-W-C... About to get real interesting...

**FarmerDave** · #39 08-18-2012, 04:52 PM

Compelling spectating... dont remember the last time a nascar race held my attention this long

**Str8shooter** · #40 08-18-2012, 05:22 PM

I'm going to have to watch the replay but I swear during one of the last cautions they showed
a wrecked car going along and there was another shoe on the track.

KB didn't win and the other guy I hate didn't win so it's all good for me