2 Ferrari and motorcycle crash.

[targanero]

I'm sure a lawyer somewhere is already working on the "unintended acceleration" defense and will somehow try to shift blame to Ferrari.

[Sherm]

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...ris_charg.html

[sjmst]

We need to know all the facts, if that's possible for the general public, to have an informed opnion.

Very sad, condolences to the family of the motorcycle driver.

[darkalley]

I might be wrong but isn't this the guy that posted aerial videos of him and a bunch of guys weaving in and out of traffic around NYC???

[Hkpooh]

Originally Posted by staatsof

They speed in a pack regularly on the Palisades Parkway? Really?

That sounds hard to do and pretty stupid.

If these guys are this bad why are they still in operation?

is there usually loaded with cops? there were like 1 cop car very mile along the freeway...

[Hkpooh]

dumb kids + exotic cars, what do you expect?
and the "right sounding" statment is just a joke, encouraging people to endanger the public is the same shxt.

[lor2435]

This is just sad: http://www.cliffviewpilot.com/bergen...nge-makes-bail

The gentleman who died seems to have been a very well known guy, the fact that he has a wife and 2 kids makes it even more tragic.

The Ferretti kid wasn't just some dumb kid, he has 3 degrees and just joined the company. Sounds like he got caught up with a reckless bunch and made a mistake that will cost him his freedom. That's a very talented person going to prison, i feel for him as well.

That mug shot is pretty ugly.

[rmani]

I'd be surprised if he does any real jail time, unless he has prior run ins with the law.

[FasterIsBetter]

Originally Posted by rmani

I'd be surprised if he does any real jail time, unless he has prior run ins with the law.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. NJ, as with many other states, is taking death by auto much more seriously. If it turns out the two of them were racing, or even speeding way above the limit, it is likely the prosecutor will go hard on them. Killing someone with a car is no laughing matter these days. And since it involved two high-powered, high priced Ferraris, you know they will get absolutely NO sympathy. This wasn't one of those situations where another driver pulled out of a driveway or made a stupid move, causing an accident with an unrelated driver, who then ended up hitting someone else. It was two guys from the same company driving high HP exotics, and likley speeding. And if the evidence or witnesses show that they were racing or "screwing around", it will not go well for them in court.

The folks at GDC were very active on this forum when the company was first starting. And IIRC, so was Ferreti. Not pointing a finger, but there were a group of guys on here who were, shall we say, rather aggressive drivers for the street. We had many heated discussions back then with folks like me saying "if you want to go fast, take it to the track, don't do it on the street" with others telling guys like me to go stick it. Hopefully, the investigation will show that they weren't speeding and/or street racing. But my gut tells me that accidents like this don't happen when you are obeying a 25 mph speed limit.

My heart goes out to the family of the poor guy on the motorcycle. So sad that an innocent life is lost like that. As an aside, that's why I won't ever get back on a motorcycle and haven't for over 30 years. Too many close calls.

[norcal2]

Originally Posted by rmani

I'd be surprised if he does any real jail time, unless he has prior run ins with the law.

Arrested
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47439469.../#.T7PU4MXWg7N

[smooth]

Originally Posted by FasterIsBetter

I wouldn't be so sure about that. NJ, as with many other states, is taking death by auto much more seriously. If it turns out the two of them were racing, or even speeding way above the limit, it is likely the prosecutor will go hard on them. Killing someone with a car is no laughing matter these days. And since it involved two high-powered, high priced Ferraris, you know they will get absolutely NO sympathy. This wasn't one of those situations where another driver pulled out of a driveway or made a stupid move, causing an accident with an unrelated driver, who then ended up hitting someone else. It was two guys from the same company driving high HP exotics, and likley speeding. And if the evidence or witnesses show that they were racing or "screwing around", it will not go well for them in court.

The folks at GDC were very active on this forum when the company was first starting. And IIRC, so was Ferreti. Not pointing a finger, but there were a group of guys on here who were, shall we say, rather aggressive drivers for the street. We had many heated discussions back then with folks like me saying "if you want to go fast, take it to the track, don't do it on the street" with others telling guys like me to go stick it. Hopefully, the investigation will show that they weren't speeding and/or street racing. But my gut tells me that accidents like this don't happen when you are obeying a 25 mph speed limit.

My heart goes out to the family of the poor guy on the motorcycle. So sad that an innocent life is lost like that. As an aside, that's why I won't ever get back on a motorcycle and haven't for over 30 years. Too many close calls.

Wait until the prosecutors present (to the court) all those cavalier street racing YouTube videos they have posted over the years AND that SuperSpeeder video collection that they tout, on line. It cannot go well for the defense in a New Jersey vehicular manslaughter case . I guess, unfortunately, it's time to pay the piper for all the nonsense.

[msdesignltd]

Just sad...really sad.

Who was the Guy that made videos of supercars going up the west side highway and other places at over 100 mph..like 6 years ago???
filmed from atop the trump condos

[msdesignltd]

OK I see...post # 11

Figures!

[FasterIsBetter]

Originally Posted by lor2435

From the bio of Rob at superspeeders and the brother of one of the men arrested:
http://www.superspeeders.com/bios/rob_ferretti

As Super Speeders creator, what is your response to the people who brand you as a danger to the public?
I didn't invent speeding, i just document it. People are always looking for someone to blame to address their fears in the world. They feel that personifying and identifying the problem is the first step to making it go away so they can sleep better at night. Sorry to say speeding has and will continue to happen whether or not I make DVDs about it. Speeding isn't an underground movement of back alley renegades adjusting cars to travel 120mph...Virtually every car produced today is designed to operate at 100mph+, as long as they do people will continue to drive at the cars capable speeds. Unfortunately you have to hold each INDIVIDUAL driver accountable for his or her actions.

Speeding aside do you believe the driving you feature in your DVDs is dangerous?
I believe there is an inherent risk to living on this planet. You could get struck by lightening if you walk outside your house in a storm. You could get struck by a stray bullet walking down the street. You could be a victim of a violent crime. You could get killed playing baseball, football, golf, soccer, etc. You can get hit by a train crossing the railroad tracks. You could die in a plane crash. All of these are possibilities. You can live your life in fear of what may happen or you can enjoy life and accept that something bad can happen at any moment, however unlikely those options are. Super Speeders represents trained drivers in super performance cars navigating through the world of everybody else. Where as there is always a possibility of something bad happening on the road, fears would be much better directed at more prevalent dangers. Drunk driving, tired driving, distracted driving, poorly maintained vehicles, under-qualified drivers, vehicles being pushed beyond their limits (excessive speed of trucks, vans, buses, etc.) Mostly what you have to fear is poor judgment, most accidents are not the fault of the vehicle, they are a result of the driver who is not aware of their vehicles limitations or how to handle their vehicle in a specific situation. Where its easy to fear sports cars wizzing down the highways because they are exceeding the ridiculously low speed limits 99.99% of accidents are not a result of a driver who is focused on their surrounds and enjoying their car. Google it.

I have to strongly disagree with you on this point. Speeding like these guys do is NOT acceptable behavior on the street, no matter how experienced you are or how much time you've spent on the track. The problem with speed like that on the public roads is that other drivers and road conditions are unpredictable. On the track, we all know what we are doing and we play by a set of rules, and we are grouped by skill level. Inexperienced drivers do not go out on the track with the high speed groups because they don't know enough about how to handle their cars.

But on the street, there are all kinds of people, different ages, experience levels, etc. Road conditions can change -- pot hole, garbage on the road, oil, water, stones, animals, pedestrians, you name it. When someone speeds on a public road, they are assuming that others will see them coming and stay out of their way. That's a BIG assumption. And you know what they say about the word "assume." All you need is one driver who doesn't see that car coming up on him at more than twice his speed and pulls out to change lanes, and bam, you've got a tragedy.

I'm not saying everyone drives the speed limit. We all know most don''t. But doing in excess of 100 mph on the highway is just plain stupid. I hope they do throw the book at these guys if it turns out they were speeding, and even more so, if they were racing.

p.s. I knew some of those guys who were doing the "speeding" a while back, and your assumption that they are highly trained drivers is not well founded. They only thought they were well trained. Virtually none of them had any track experience or formal high performance driver training.

[F SPIDER]

Originally Posted by FasterIsBetter

I'm not saying everyone drives the speed limit. We all know most don''t. But doing in excess of 100 mph on the highway is just plain stupid.

The highway system is designed for high speed, and most cars also. It is just the drivers that are not used to big speed differences. Driving in Germany at speeds exceeding 100MPH is legal and all drivers (especially slow cars) are as much aware what is behind them as they are what is in front of them. My biggest gripe of driving in the US is that almost nobody is looking in their mirrors.....

In the mean time, I'm too old for illegal speeding. I keep that for Germany and the track.

Actually it is nowadays impacting the choice of cars I own, but that is another story.

[ClydeM]

Superspeeders is of no consequence in this accident. They weren't involved.
And it was the younger brother that was involved in the accident as an employee of GDC.
At this point, all I know is the paper's presentation and interpretation. These folks who have to sell their stories for profit. Perhaps the biker was speeding too or shared in the accident in another way.
I'm willing to wait until the evidence is in before I chastise or convict.

Though it was and will be a horrendous chain of events for all those involved.

[targanero]

This case should be a slam dunk as proving reckless driving with physical evidence from the scene will likely be easy. Furthermore, knowing how tight security is at the meadowlands these days, I wouldn't be surprised if the accident was caught on a surveillance camera.

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The definition of death by auto is set forth under N.J.S.A. § 2C:11-5, as a crime that occurs when a driver kills someone while driving recklessly.

[lor2435]

Originally Posted by ClydeM

Superspeeders is of no consequence in this accident. They weren't involved.
And it was the younger brother that was involved in the accident as an employee of GDC.
At this point, all I know is the paper's presentation and interpretation. These folks who have to sell their stories for profit. Perhaps the biker was speeding too or shared in the accident in another way.
I'm willing to wait until the evidence is in before I chastise or convict.

Though it was and will be a horrendous chain of events for all those involved.

Clyde, I know your cars are/were stored with GDC. Can you honestly say that speeding and reckless driving is isolated to this one gas trip?

You may not remember me, but we both know this is not an isolated incident. GDC knows exactly how fast their cars are going at all times, the fact that these guys were racing from the gas station is not news to anyone. The police should look at those gps records.

If they wanted to ensure their employees were "trained professionals"you'd think a background check or piss test would be in order. Maybe things have changed in the last 2 years, but this sounds too familiar to even question the biker.

[lor2435]

Originally Posted by FasterIsBetter

I have to strongly disagree with you on this point. Speeding like these guys do is NOT acceptable behavior on the street, no matter how experienced you are or how much time you've spent on the track. The problem with speed like that on the public roads is that other drivers and road conditions are unpredictable. On the track, we all know what we are doing and we play by a set of rules, and we are grouped by skill level. Inexperienced drivers do not go out on the track with the high speed groups because they don't know enough about how to handle their cars.

But on the street, there are all kinds of people, different ages, experience levels, etc. Road conditions can change -- pot hole, garbage on the road, oil, water, stones, animals, pedestrians, you name it. When someone speeds on a public road, they are assuming that others will see them coming and stay out of their way. That's a BIG assumption. And you know what they say about the word "assume." All you need is one driver who doesn't see that car coming up on him at more than twice his speed and pulls out to change lanes, and bam, you've got a tragedy.

I'm not saying everyone drives the speed limit. We all know most don''t. But doing in excess of 100 mph on the highway is just plain stupid. I hope they do throw the book at these guys if it turns out they were speeding, and even more so, if they were racing.

p.s. I knew some of those guys who were doing the "speeding" a while back, and your assumption that they are highly trained drivers is not well founded. They only thought they were well trained. Virtually none of them had any track experience or formal high performance driver training.

you are mistaken, none of that is my quote. It's from Joe's older brother (and GDC part owner's) bio from super speeders. Look at the link.

[hexxman]

.... i feel that the owner of gotham should be held criminally and civilly liable for this. he has operated a business that rents vehicles to indivduals and sets up rallies and fully condones driving fast and reckless. i hope that he answers for this in a big way, what a horrible tragedy