Jalpa thread

[Peter K.]

Does anyone know if these are the same or will work with the Urraco P250?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lambo...item2557b7b32b

[hyenahf]

Originally Posted by SVJTech

I was curious if anyone has seen or done other in depth testing with the Lamborghini V-8?

With the usual 'magic number' of 100 hp per liter, it seems like there should be a few others who have tried to get the V-8 there..

RVosari in CT has done some tuning on a P300 motor. new pistons, rods, were some of the detail i remember. i think he got 280 or so out of it. pretty respectable for a 3 liter

its probably harder to get 100hp/litter with a 3.5 longer stroke motor.

[bullish]

Can anyone tell me why our cars are so "reasonably" priced? I have seen them priced anywhere from 30k-45k USD. The way I see it, they are so rare that they should be much more valuable. I think they are much more attractive, than earlier models like the Jarama and Espada. Wherever I go, people snap pictures and gravitate to the car, even when there are newer and much costlier cars around. I don't get it. It seems as though everyone loves the car, but no one wants to own it, so it has to have a bargain price to attract owners.

Maybe I'm just in grouchy mood. I apologize if I offended anyone. But I'm not going to delete this post, in the hopes that someone might provide some great insight.

Kevin
1985 Jalpa red

[hyenahf]

maybe because a wheel bearing cost 10x more than it should?

[EMILIO]

Originally Posted by bullish

Can anyone tell me why our cars are so "reasonably" priced? I have seen them priced anywhere from 30k-45k USD. The way I see it, they are so rare that they should be much more valuable. I think they are much more attractive, than earlier models like the Jarama and Espada. Wherever I go, people snap pictures and gravitate to the car, even when there are newer and much costlier cars around. I don't get it. It seems as though everyone loves the car, but no one wants to own it, so it has to have a bargain price to attract owners.

Maybe I'm just in grouchy mood. I apologize if I offended anyone. But I'm not going to delete this post, in the hopes that someone might provide some great insight.

Kevin
1985 Jalpa red

as a former jalpa owner (and as a jalpa lover!)

i think they are a good buy at today prices, they could go up something but hardly MUCH imo

and i think for some reasons, like:

- jalpa cost almost as a much as a countach to restore-upkeep
- the car is not near as fast as a countach
- the car is not as mitical or looks as good as a countach

so when you think you can still find good driver FI QVs in the 90k$, it would makes no sense to buy a jalpa at 50k$ or more...this keep the value of good cars in the 40k$ or so..

i think if the "regular" countach value will go up (and it will imo) the jalpa value will somewhat follow

[Downdraft1]

Hey, Urraco cars in the 1980s were even worse for re-sale value, as a former P250S owner I can assure you. As Emilio said, the upkeep costs are significant and any ground up restoration is an "act of love" because you will not ever have a return on investment. None-the-less 8 cylinder Lambos are fun and offer exceptionally good handling.

[EarlyCat]

The reason they are not expensive is the 8 cylinder engine. If it had a 12 cylinder it would be worth a good bit more. If you are fair, performance times match or beat many other exotics of the time. They are extremely rare, most have never seen one. I have seen two & one of them is mine. I have had more than a few comments , asking if that was a model that came before the Countach (ok to be fair, I have been ask if it was a Diablo several times). Most have never seen a Lamborghini, so I guess it catches them off guard. A Jalpa will draw far more attention than a TR or many other exotic cars. IMO they look so much better than a Espada, Jarma, and even a Islero (I like them all, just my preference). It's the 12 cylinder.

[EMILIO]

Originally Posted by EarlyCat

The reason they are not expensive is the 8 cylinder engine. If it had a 12 cylinder it would be worth a good bit more. If you are fair, performance times match or beat many other exotics of the time. They are extremely rare, most have never seen one. I have seen two & one of them is mine. I have had more than a few comments , asking if that was a model that came before the Countach (ok to be fair, I have been ask if it was a Diablo several times). Most have never seen a Lamborghini, so I guess it catches them off guard. A Jalpa will draw far more attention than a TR or many other exotic cars. IMO they look so much better than a Espada, Jarma, and even a Islero (I like them all, just my preference). It's the 12 cylinder.

you are correct the V12 is one of the reasons but it is not all there...

an espada is not worth more than a jalpa in Europe...may be is less in the same conditions
the jarama is around the same or slightly more than a jalpa

the islero is more expensive, but it is RARE and has pretty nice shape that is appealing to many

a silhouette is worth 50k euro or even more for a perfect one
it is worth more than espada or jarama and still a V8,
it is REALLY awesome looking inside-out and RARE

[EMILIO]

Originally Posted by Downdraft1

Hey, Urraco cars in the 1980s were even worse for re-sale value, as a former P250S owner I can assure you. As Emilio said, the upkeep costs are significant and any ground up restoration is an "act of love" because you will not ever have a return on investment. None-the-less 8 cylinder Lambos are fun and offer exceptionally good handling.

i agree with everything you said
now, if only i could find a nice LHD sil. for a fair price...

[ralfabco]

I obtained the enclosed message. An enthusiast is looking for a Jalpa. Can you try and help out the potential Jalpa buyer with any information ? Thanks.

________

I was wondering if anyone in your club had a lamborghini jalpa? I have been looking at them online for a while now but one of my friends told me that I shouldn't because I would not be able to fit in them. In reality this friend has no idea because he doesn't have one. So I was wondering if anyone in this club has one. I'm 6'6" so I could see me not being able to fit into an older sports car like the jalpa.

[Jalpa_Mike]

I am 6' 1" and wear size 12 shoes. I found the Jalpa to have PLENTY of headroom!!! I had no issues of fitting in it at all. I wore driving shoes, so I didn't have any problems with my feet hitting multiple pedals at the same time either.

Mike

[kc023515]

Again a Lambo offered by Gullwing, sitting in the storage for the last fifteen years

http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/inv...ay&autoID=1132

Have they found a warehouse full of neglected Lambo's somewhere?

Any idea which one this could be?

[raymondQV]

puuh, if this is an excellent car, what would a running example not having been in storage for 15 years be?

Can someone call them for the VIN?
From the leather piping it looks like a young one.

[Peter K.]

Stay away.

Unless money is no object.
This is a total restoration that will cost as much as 2 nice examples.

[Olivier NAMECHE]

Originally Posted by EMILIO

you are correct the V12 is one of the reasons but it is not all there...

an espada is not worth more than a jalpa in Europe...may be is less in the same conditions
the jarama is around the same or slightly more than a jalpa

the islero is more expensive, but it is RARE and has pretty nice shape that is appealing to many

a silhouette is worth 50k euro or even more for a perfect one
it is worth more than espada or jarama and still a V8,
it is REALLY awesome looking inside-out and RARE

Emilio, I agree with your explanations and I will also point the finger on the fact people looking for a rear V8 mid engine are also thinking about the myth "308 GTS" from the TV serie icon "Magnum's Ferrari" that is also really affordable... and unfortunatelly keeps Jalpa price low !!!

[SVJTech]

Originally Posted by hyenahf

RVosari in CT has done some tuning on a P300 motor. new pistons, rods, were some of the detail i remember. i think he got 280 or so out of it. pretty respectable for a 3 liter

its probably harder to get 100hp/litter with a 3.5 longer stroke motor.

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I would imagine there would be some parts of the Jalpa community that would be interested in how to produce reliable, consistent HP from these machines - just surprised there is so little info on this - unlike most engine designs, finding something like engineering papers (or SAE papers) has been difficult. Yet for the basis of improving the design we need to get all the baselines down first before trying to work with this Italian heat pump.

Given the response from some simple changes - it seems there can be some considerable output to be had, though material improvements will be needed to accomplish that.
Mind I'm not contemplating effectively creating a Donovan block for this - still keeping the original base castings - but there are gains to be had with some simple thermo practices applied..

This might even help the resale value a bit - think of it: "Italian reliability" - should be better than "Triuph-TR6" reliability. Please note: Nothing against the British or Italians here..

[hyenahf]

not really my cup of tea but your can always use forced induction

its an old carb motor so it shouldnt be that difficult to bring out a few more ponies. keeping it together in one piece is another matter. seem like a ton of stock motors have blown up.

[SVJTech]

Originally Posted by hyenahf

its an old carb motor so it shouldnt be that difficult to bring out a few more ponies. keeping it together in one piece is another matter. seem like a ton of stock motors have blown up.

Himm.. there does seem to be that perception, though other cars have had worse reps. Some of these concerns have been detailed on sites as the jalp.ch - but little is out there on how or why these issues arise. I suppose there isn't much interest in development in an engine that is in a limited number of cars.

The areas that have been of concern in my quest have been the oil, ignition and cooling systems. After these are managed, further improvement can be realized through the introduction modern techniques and technologies, like advanced and lighter materials.
Some of the original design was probably due to layout issues in the car at the time - like driving the distributor with a rubber belt on a shaft that also turns the water pump - good as far as making use of the space and limited layout options, but unfortunately also introduces spark timing fluctuation due to dimensional changes in the belt and the additional forces that come into play. Not to mention the possibility of belt tooth slippage and miss-indexing by a technician.

So there are a few things to work with, Ferrari, Lotus. or Lamborghini.. just have to figure out what all is happening and how to best manage it. The reward is a car that not only sounds incredible, but will last for a drive from one side of the continent to the other…

[raymondQV]

I never saw the cooling system as an issue, my car ran always at 80 degrees C, in traffic jam raised up to 95 and was immediately cooled down by the fan.
Driving on the race track is a different story, there the oil radiator is too small and gets too less fresh air, I had 140 degrees C after a few laps.

[hyenahf]

raymond

was your oil cooler in the front or in the back like most of the later cars?

did you find the stock suspension a little soft on the track and under tired with the 205/225 sizes?

not a lot of people track there v8 lambos , id be very much obliged if you can share with us your track experiences


warm regards

hf