Miura, the original supercar

[Wolfgang]

Originally Posted by joe sackey

At the Le Mans Classic 2012, pic by RWP.

Produite le 3 Octobre 1969
matching number
Carrosserie restaurée par "Pierluigi Bottini" en 1991
précedent propriétaire depuis 1998
moteur restauré en 1999.
Révisé en 2010

Original Verde Miura/Black to dealer Zani in Italy
1998 located near Venice
1990 Sold to a collector in Cremona
1991 under work at famous atelier "pierluigi Bottini" near Milan that complety restored the body
1998 Sold to a Collector in Varese that restored the engine
2011 : engine revised.

Adv. here:
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[joe sackey]

Originally Posted by Wolfgang

Produite le 3 Octobre 1969
matching number
Carrosserie restaurée par "Pierluigi Bottini" en 1991
précedent propriétaire depuis 1998
moteur restauré en 1999.
Révisé en 2010

Original Verde Miura/Black to dealer Zani in Italy
1998 located near Venice
1990 Sold to a collector in Cremona
1991 under work at famous atelier "pierluigi Bottini" near Milan that complety restored the body
1998 Sold to a Collector in Varese that restored the engine
2011 : engine revised.

Adv. here:
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...eatures=EXPORT

Excellent information, thanks for sharing!

[alberto]

Originally Posted by joe sackey

Sorry, Alberto, you have no clue what you are talking about. Don't flatter yourself.

Share what proves it wasn't.

Actually, I didn't parrot others theories on Don Miura and his Miura (s). I did my own research.

I got in touch personally with Werner Ben Heiderich in Madrid. I showed him the images I had, and he confirmed to me what I published. At least I took legitimate steps to reach my conclusion. If others think otherwise, that's entirely up to them.

Do a little research and find out what his personal relationship with Don Miura was. Then, if you are confident, why not publish your own findings rather than continue to parrot other's theories either way?

LOL. Who's flattering themselves?

BTW, I'm not picking a fight. I'm just pointing out that you can't use one set of criteria when it comes to examining and questioning other's views and a different one when it comes to yours. I don't pretend to be the Miura expert that you do. Peace out brother.

[jimmy]

Originally Posted by Wolfgang

Produite le 3 Octobre 1969
matching number
Carrosserie restaurée par "Pierluigi Bottini" en 1991
précedent propriétaire depuis 1998
moteur restauré en 1999.
Révisé en 2010

Original Verde Miura/Black to dealer Zani in Italy
1998 located near Venice
1990 Sold to a collector in Cremona
1991 under work at famous atelier "pierluigi Bottini" near Milan that complety restored the body
1998 Sold to a Collector in Varese that restored the engine
2011 : engine revised.

Adv. here:
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...eatures=EXPORT

4274? Not sure about those colour coded air filter covers.

[430 scuderia]

Hello guys. I saw for 5th time the famous Italian Job movie and i was thinking what car is this. I mean, is there any possibility to destroyed a real car or just a fake with just only it's original body panels.


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Greg

[spadge1976]

I believe it was a genuine Miura that had the engine removed for the scene where it is pushed over the edge

[joe sackey]

Originally Posted by alberto

LOL. Who's flattering themselves?

BTW, I'm not picking a fight. I'm just pointing out that you can't use one set of criteria when it comes to examining and questioning other's views and a different one when it comes to yours. I don't pretend to be the Miura expert that you do. Peace out brother.

Sure thing.

Lets go back to the beginning of our conversation: Miura, the original supercar

You came on this thread and made a definitive one-word statement that the Miura prototype is "Dead" based on not a single shred of personally-researched information other than to parrot "others" theories, by your own admission.

My premise is that you ought to do the community (& yourself) a favor and know what you are speaking about before you make such a definitive declaration about such a historically important car, and before you challenge others who have spent years investigating & researching same.

The truth is, you have no clue what happened to the Miura prototype other than to parrot what others have said, and here you are leading the uninitiated to believe that you have some certain knowledge by your one-word answer. All you have done is perpetuate a myth, and as we know Lamborghini mythology that has circulated for years has turned out to be wrong a significant percentage of the time.

If all you are going to do is redundantly parrot others' theories, please spare us, they have all been heard before. Tell us something new.

In fact, if you have made any personal research at all, why not find a publisher and publish it? You will soon find that some aspects of history are subjective, open to interpretation, and have extenuating circumstances.

As for your flippant remark about pretending to be an expert - I don't suggest I'm any kind of expert, but I do claim to be an enthusiast who over the past 20 years has personally owned 5 Miuras and handled dozens & dozens more. I put together a book http://joesackey.com/the-lamborghini-miura-bible/ simply because I had much material I wanted to share with the community. I submit that it is you who pretends to be an expert with your one-word declaration on the fate of a car whose true disposition you know nothing about.

Peace out brother?

[joe sackey]

Originally Posted by jimmy

4274? Not sure about those colour coded air filter covers.

I agree.

By the way a little birdie has told me the good news about your 4812 for which I offer my congratulations. So glad to hear and cant wait to see it when completed!

[joe sackey]

An original P400 (now resident in California) that has never needed a restoration and remains in excellent condition.

[alberto]

Originally Posted by joe sackey

Sure thing.

Lets go back to the beginning of our conversation: Miura, the original supercar

You came on this thread and made a definitive one-word statement that the Miura prototype is "Dead" based on not a single shred of personally-researched information other than to parrot "others" theories, by your own admission.

My premise is that you ought to do the community (& yourself) a favor and know what you are speaking about before you make such a definitive declaration about such a historically important car, and before you challenge others who have spent years investigating & researching same.

The truth is, you have no clue what happened to the Miura prototype other than to parrot what others have said, and here you are leading the uninitiated to believe that you have some certain knowledge by your one-word answer. All you have done is perpetuate a myth, and as we know Lamborghini mythology that has circulated for years has turned out to be wrong a significant percentage of the time.

If all you are going to do is redundantly parrot others' theories, please spare us, they have all been heard before. Tell us something new.

In fact, if you have made any personal research at all, why not find a publisher and publish it? You will soon find that some aspects of history are subjective, open to interpretation, and have extenuating circumstances.

As for your flippant remark about pretending to be an expert - I don't suggest I'm any kind of expert, but I do claim to be an enthusiast who over the past 20 years has personally owned 5 Miuras and handled dozens & dozens more. I put together a book http://joesackey.com/the-lamborghini-miura-bible/ simply because I had much material I wanted to share with the community. I submit that it is you who pretends to be an expert with your one-word declaration on the fate of a car whose true disposition you know nothing about.

Peace out brother?

Yawn. You always revert to attacking people when they challenge you Joe. It's boring and boorish.

[joe sackey]

Originally Posted by alberto

Yawn. You always revert to attacking people when they challenge you Joe. It's boring and boorish.

Speak for yourself. I'm hardly boring or boorish. I certainly stand my ground when I'm attacked, but call that what you want.

Those who attack first always seem to cry victim when someone stands up to them. LOL. You did exactly what you're accusing, now that I've stood my ground you cant seem to find a graceful exit.

Don't let the screen door hit you on the way out, unless you actually have something useful you can verify to contribute here besides parroting others theories.

[billnoon]

Loved the book Joe! Keep up the faith and don't worry about those who worry too much. Your writings, post, help and advice are always appreciated.

I am hoping 4039 finds a new home in the next week or so as I have just finished inspections on another nice S that I hope will shortly come our way, possibly in time so she can be seen and enjoyed in Monterey by her next caretaker.

Again my thanks always for your kind help, assistance and the many posts to this site!

Bill Noon

[joe sackey]

Originally Posted by billnoon

Loved the book Joe! Keep up the faith and don't worry about those who worry too much. Your writings, post, help and advice are always appreciated.

I am hoping 4039 finds a new home in the next week or so as I have just finished inspections on another nice S that I hope will shortly come our way, possibly in time so she can be seen and enjoyed in Monterey by her next caretaker.

Again my thanks always for your kind help, assistance and the many posts to this site!

Bill Noon

Bill, I hope to speak to you before Monterey.

As for those who worry too much, I'm always ready to engage them in a spirited debate.

Glad you liked the book, thanks for mentioning it! I cant believe its been out four years now....

[joe sackey]

Cargraphic magazine P400S feature

[joe sackey]

Contents...

[430 scuderia]

Originally Posted by joe sackey

Contents...

Lot of history....

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[alberto]

Originally Posted by joe sackey

Speak for yourself. I'm hardly boring or boorish. I certainly stand my ground when I'm attacked, but call that what you want.

Those who attack first always seem to cry victim when someone stands up to them. LOL. You did exactly what you're accusing, now that I've stood my ground you cant seem to find a graceful exit.

Don't let the screen door hit you on the way out, unless you actually have something useful you can verify to contribute here besides parroting others theories.

You're comment is so hypocritical it's not even worth arguing about. Oh, and by the way, although I'm sure you'd much more like it if you could get rid of all who questioned certain posts, fortunately you don't control access or content on the forum. I'm not going anywhere, but I am done with this particular discussion.

[joe sackey]

Originally Posted by alberto

You're comment is so hypocritical it's not even worth arguing about. Oh, and by the way, although I'm sure you'd much more like it if you could get rid of all who questioned certain posts, fortunately you don't control access or content on the forum. I'm not going anywhere, but I am done with this particular discussion.

Who is the hypocrite? Who tried to control content on the forum by seeking to get a valuable resource's name removed from the forum, when in fact both he - by his own admission to me - and the community would benefit from having it here, and it is already a matter of public record.

Remember that move?

[joe sackey]

Anyone looking for a seasoned coach-builder for Miura (& Countach) may contact:

Steve N. Kouracos http://www.stevekouracos.wordpress.com
23061 Arroyo Vista Rancho Santa Margarita CA 92688
(949) 922 3013.

[alberto]

Originally Posted by joe sackey

Who is the hypocrite? Who tried to control content on the forum by seeking to get a valuable resource's name removed from the forum, when in fact both he - by his own admission to me - and the community would benefit from having it here, and it is already a matter of public record.

Remember that move?

Get over yourself Joe. You know what my issue you publishing that was and you know it had nothing to do with removing "valuable resources from the forum". On the contrary, I'm happy to share them with anyone that asks, including you.