Miura, the original supercar - Page 521

**miurasv** · #**10401** 07-07-2012, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by raymondQV

Not 5110, 5110 has a white/black hide.

Thanks do you know which one is in the video? 5110 pics below. Click on the links and then on the pics for the next pic.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/se...6919675&type=1

Some good pics of 5110 here: https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...type=1&theater

**miurasv** · #**10402** 07-07-2012, 06:14 AM

Click on link. https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/se...6919675&type=1

**miurasv** · #**10403** 07-07-2012, 06:26 AM

April?: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kidst...6919675&type=1

2 months ago: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6919675&type=1

About a month ago: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6919675&type=1

**joe sackey** · #**10404** 07-07-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by miurasv

April?: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kidst...6919675&type=1

2 months ago: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6919675&type=1

About a month ago: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6919675&type=1

Great to see this Miura being restored at last, and hopefully it will be another faithful-to-original-build effort.

raymondQV · #**10405** 07-08-2012, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by miurasv

Click on link. https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/se...6919675&type=1

This is #5092 the walter Wolf SV whch was originally Gold. I don't know which Idiot decided to paint here Yellow in 2001.

**miurasv** · #**10406** 07-09-2012, 10:08 AM

Click on the link: https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...type=2&theater

**joe sackey** · #**10407** 07-09-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by raymondQV

This is #5092 the walter Wolf SV whch was originally Gold. I don't know which Idiot decided to paint here Yellow in 2001.

Raymond, I agree with you completely. If ever there as a Lamborghini restoration 'Faux Pas', this was it, committed by the factory itself. I learned my lesson with 5064, and IMO its pointless restoring classic cars that have a special history unless it is to original spec.

raymondQV · #**10408** 07-09-2012, 11:00 PM

We can only assume that it was done for corporate identidy reason since in 2001 the official colours were yellow/black, all the new cars they showed (Murci/Gallardo) were always there as twins in these two colours (plus additional like the Ithaca green).

Anyway doesn't justify that fauxpas.

**joe sackey** · #**10409** 07-10-2012, 06:49 PM

Miura number one

Blown Z · #**10410** 07-10-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by joe sackey

Miura number one

Great pic, where is this car now?

**joe sackey** · #**10411** 07-11-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blown Z

Great pic, where is this car now?

Haven't a clue...

**alberto** · #**10412** 07-11-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blown Z

Great pic, where is this car now?

Dead.

**joe sackey** · #**10413** 07-11-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alberto

Dead.

I'm not so sure about that.

Given the era in which it was built, and knowing Lamborghini's practices of the time, my money is on the fact that this car now exists as another P400 whose owner is completely unaware of that fact.

ilrglen · #**10414** 07-11-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by joe sackey

I'm not so sure about that.

Given the era in which it was built, and knowing Lamborghini's practices of the time, my money is on the fact that this car now exists as another P400 whose owner is completely unaware of that fact.

Isn't that the car the Bob turned into the Jota? That was the practice at Lamborghini, reusing old prototypes as the basis for prototypes of newer models. Still happens at Lamborghini today!

**joe sackey** · #**10415** 07-11-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ilrglen

Isn't that the car the Bob turned into the Jota?

I don't think so, and I'd love to see some clarification either way. But you are right about the practice of re-using prototypes etc. They also turned them into production cars and sold them represented as such.

**alberto** · #**10416** 07-11-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by joe sackey

I'm not so sure about that.

Given the era in which it was built, and knowing Lamborghini's practices of the time, my money is on the fact that this car now exists as another P400 whose owner is completely unaware of that fact.

So you think the original prototype which was supposedly written off after it was in its accident is somehow alive? No one knows where the engine is (probably pretty easy to spot given the engine number), so they reused parts of the chassis, body, or what? Other than pure speculation, what evidence is there if this (see, now you have me sounding like Joe Sackey!).

**joe sackey** · #**10417** 07-11-2012, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alberto

So you think the original prototype which was supposedly written off after it was in its accident is somehow alive? No one knows where the engine is (probably pretty easy to spot given the engine number), so they reused parts of the chassis, body, or what? Other than pure speculation, what evidence is there if this (see, now you have me sounding like Joe Sackey!).

Well, lets get into this:

What accident did it have, when, where and to what extent? Any proof that this was not just another of Wallace's 'convenient' explanations?

The factory never thrashed a Miura within an inch of its life, and some even came back from the dead and were sprinkled with Sant Agata Holy Water!

They (the factory) re-used whatever they liked in combinations to suit them, stamped with whatever numbers met their fancy. Anyone who has done a serious study on Miura production knows this is fact. Ergo my suggestion that this car is still alive in one guise or another, and that is just an educated guess (as I have clarified), nothing more, but an educated guess consistent with the practices of Automobili Lamborghini SpA of the period as proven over & over.

Dunno where the engine is. You tell me. That's why I said in my earlier post: "Haven't a clue"....

If I have learned anything about that factory's practices of the era, it is to question everything, and I have been pretty consistent in that posture for many years. As the great TC Browne said, "There are lies, damned lies, and then there are automobile manufacturers statistics." I think he meant well for our collective peace of mind.

**joe sackey** · #**10418** 07-11-2012, 11:02 PM

I should also add that my healthy skepticism of Lamborghini folklore has served me well because I can think of at least 2 historical cars that I was assured were "dead" which I subsequently stumbled across (I use the word "stumbled" loosely, I'm sure you'll understand).

**joe sackey** · #**10419** 07-11-2012, 11:03 PM

1980

pylon · #**10420** 07-12-2012, 09:57 AM

Joe says:
Given the era in which it was built, and knowing Lamborghini's practices of the time, my money is on the fact that this car now exists as another P400 whose owner is completely unaware of that fact.

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Cool! - I'm now taking offers for my P400 which *might* be the prototype but I am unaware if it is. Starting at, say, $1.5M - anyone? anyone?
:-) :-)