Miura, the original supercar

[miurasv]

I have been corresponding with the highly regarded Rare, Sports and Luxury Car Dealer, Mr William Loughran, and he informed me today that he bought the first Miura SV in the UK, white, gold wheels and sills with blue interior, direct from Roger Philips, the UK Lamborghini importer who he knew very well, at the Earls Court Motor Show where the car was on display.

He said he used the car for a year and he then sold it to Lord Lilford who also kept it for about a year when he sold it to a London car dealer who sold it to Elton John.

Does anyone have any pics of the car on display at Earls Court?

4830 - http://www.themiuraregister.com/miur...ter.php?id=681

[SAB]

Originally Posted by miurasv

I have been corresponding with the highly regarded Rare, Sports and Luxury Car Dealer, Mr William Loughran, and he informed me today that he bought the first Miura SV in the UK, white, gold wheels and sills with blue interior, direct from Roger Philips, the UK Lamborghini importer who he knew very well, at the Earls Court Motor Show where the car was on display.

He said he used the car for a year and he then sold it to Lord Lilford who also kept it for about a year when he sold it to a London car dealer who sold it to Elton John.

Does anyone have any pics of the car on display at Earls Court?

4830 - http://www.themiuraregister.com/miur...ter.php?id=681

Steve, have you noticed that the Miura Registry seems to have 4822 and 4830 with similar information? How many RHD SVs were in the UK?

[miurasv]

Originally Posted by SAB

Steve, have you noticed that the Miura Registry seems to have 4822 and 4830 with similar information? How many RHD SVs were in the UK?

Yes, I saw that SAB. I'm not 100% on it but I think the white car is most likely 4830.

There were 9 RHD cars originally made by the factory and 2 LHD cars that were converted by the factory to RHD soon after being made for export to Australia. The car Jay Kay had is not an oriiginal RHD car. It was converted by Graypaul in the early 80s.The following is what I wrote in post 9229 of this thread about RHD cars.

"Factory Original RHD P400SV = 4830, 4812, 4814, 4816, 4818, 4828, 4820, 4822 and 4826.

For years it was published in the press that there were '7 RHD SVs', '7 UK RHD SVs', '7 RHD SVs in the UK' and sometimes worded as '7 RHD SVs made' which was incorrect. 7 is still the figure people use as advertised incorrectly for the Classic Driver ad for 5036 which isn't even one of the 7??? if you get my meaning. Clearly there were 9 original factory RHD SVs, c/n numbers above, but could the 7 figure have come about because 4826 went to South Africa as of all the pics I've seen of it it never had a UK plate with very little info on it and we know that 4822 did go to South Africa? If you count 5002 and 5036 (converted from LHD to RHD by the factory early on as stated previously by JS) then there were 11 factory RHD cars which are now 10 because 4820 is now LHD."

[espada1952]

Originally Posted by miurasv

Yes, I saw that SAB. I'm not 100% on it but I think the white car is most likely 4830.

There were 9 RHD cars originally made by the factory and 2 LHD cars that were converted by the factory to RHD soon after being made for export to Australia. The car Jay Kay had is not an oriiginal RHD car. It was converted by Graypaul in the early 80s.The following is what I wrote in post 9229 of this thread about RHD cars.

"Factory Original RHD P400SV = 4830, 4812, 4814, 4816, 4818, 4828, 4820, 4822 and 4826.

For years it was published in the press that there were '7 RHD SVs', '7 UK RHD SVs', '7 RHD SVs in the UK' and sometimes worded as '7 RHD SVs made' which was incorrect. 7 is still the figure people use as advertised incorrectly for the Classic Driver ad for 5036 which isn't even one of the 7??? if you get my meaning. Clearly there were 9 original factory RHD SVs, c/n numbers above, but could the 7 figure have come about because 4826 went to South Africa as of all the pics I've seen of it it never had a UK plate with very little info on it and we know that 4822 did go to South Africa? If you count 5002 and 5036 (converted from LHD to RHD by the factory early on as stated previously by JS) then there were 11 factory RHD cars which are now 10 because 4820 is now LHD."

Having owned two SV and being an age when I can remember them new there were only seven registered in the UK,the other RHD went to South Africa and other RHD countries,out of the seven one was converted by DK Engineering to LHD,a German car was converted to RHD by Graypaul,which still leaves seven,in recent years the converted car has gone to Ireland and one of the originals is in HongKong,there are still five RHD cars in the UK with various collectors plus the odd LHD car that passes through,there is also an Australian RHD car at JD Classics at the moment.

Stephen Keen

[Jota 5084]

Originally Posted by joe sackey

* January 1975 National Geographic, "Iran - Desert Miracle" by William Graves, see page 14, there you will see an image of UCLA-educated Dr Kaivan Saleh & his wife showing off Princess Ashraf's white Miura P400S.

Strange, but the picture note/text says its Dr. Kaivan Salehs car.

"Outside their home, he and his wife showing off their sports car, an Italian-made Lamborghini."

[P300V8]

A clutch of Miuras at Syon Park around 1987

[jimmy]

I asked Del if he knew of this mystery car, and he didn't recognise the number plate at all.
Also, the DVLA registration website doesn't recognise it, whereas it does recognise some of the other RHD SVs.

Have a close look at the picture. That plate "913 LN" is not centred at the front of the car, which is a little odd.

Air conditioning might be a giveaway, but you can't tell from the picture whether it is present. I don't think we know if 4814 had the roof aerial from birth either.

[miurasv]

The London Motor Show. Does anyone know what year?

[Mark Shannon]

I think that plate "913 LN" is a UK 'trade' plate.

Mark Shannon

[miurasv]

Here's a link to 4820. When they restored it or converted it from RHD to LHD and replaced the dash they must have left the air conditioning off along with the vents on top of the dash as the car must have had a/c originally as it has a single distributor.

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails...O08&CarID=r103

[espada1952]

Originally Posted by miurasv

The London Motor Show. Does anyone know what year?

Maybe 69/70

I think Mark is right they are trade plates, we just need to work out which car it is

Any one any idea on the attached pic that was taken in London in the late 60s

Stephen Keen

[SAB]

Originally Posted by espada1952

Maybe 69/70

Any one any idea on the attached pic that was taken in London in the late 60s

Stephen Keen

If that's a G plate on the Miura, it was first registered between 1 August 1968 – 31 July 1969 in Exeter, so presumably the photo would be any time after 1 August 1968.

[xs10shl]

Originally Posted by miurasv

The London Motor Show. Does anyone know what year?

That's a pretty big Honda booth in the background, with what appears to be an N600. Honda started manufacturing cars around the same time as Lamborghini, and I think this model appeared in 1969. Interesting to see a Mazda booth as well.

[miurasv]

Originally Posted by Mark Shannon

I think that plate "913 LN" is a UK 'trade' plate.

Mark Shannon

Some information about plates in the link below. Scroll about a third of the way down. LN on that plate could mean the area code London North West Greater London until 1974. Where exactly were Lamborghini Concessionaires/Roger Philips based in 1972?

http://www.cvpg.co.uk/REG.pdf

[joe sackey]

Originally Posted by Jota 5084

Strange, but the picture note/text says its Dr. Kaivan Salehs car.

"Outside their home, he and his wife showing off their sports car, an Italian-made Lamborghini."

Yes I already pointed this out and explained earlier - Saleh says the magazine got it wrong, as often happens.

[Peter.Lazzari]

Sorry Stephen, but I believe the 'recent' LHD -> RHD conversion you mention in Ireland is an 'S', # 4593. I have known the car since June 1970

Peter

[espada1952]

Originally Posted by Peter.Lazzari

Sorry Stephen, but I believe the 'recent' LHD -> RHD conversion you mention in Ireland is an 'S', # 4593. I have known the car since June 1970

Peter

The S [that you know] has recently been converted from Lh to Rh by Colin Clarke is in Ireland,but an another Irishman has brought the ex Hew Dundas/JK SV
There is also another S in Colin Clarke's workshop at the moment that has come from Ireland

Stephen Keen

[Peter.Lazzari]

Sorry Stephen.

I have a certain affection for 4593 as its owner gave me a spin around Dublin city in it 1n 1971. Its as-new now in its post-CC conversion etc guise.

I am also surprised to learn that there are 2 other Miuras in the Emerald Isle !

Thanks

Peter

[P300V8]

Originally Posted by miurasv

Some information about plates in the link below. Scroll about a third of the way down. LN on that plate could mean the area code London North West Greater London until 1974. Where exactly were Lamborghini Concessionaires/Roger Philips based in 1972?

http://www.cvpg.co.uk/REG.pdf

If I read correctly the two letter codes were only issued before 1963. After this the two letter code denoting the area was always preceded by a third letter.

"Here's the full list of all the 2 letter area codes issued to vehicles first registered between 1903 and 2001 in the United Kingdom. These codes are (except before 1963) always issued with a preceding serial letter e.g. Y723YYX (area code is YX)."

Trade plates have two letters and the three digit number precedes the letters. Although the letters are not red this seems to fit the description of a trade plate. Here is the related text....

"Trade plates use the normal UK font but usually display red letters on a white background. They have three numbers starting from
001, and then a two letter area code of the VRO (vehicle registration office) as in pre September 2001 plates. Trade plates are carried
by vehicles which are not being currently taxed, and are used by dealers and manufacturers. These plates can be moved from one
vehicle to another which is why they are often displayed in the windscreen or hung from the vehicle rather than being permanently
fixed."

[miurasv]

I think the mystery car in the picture is c/n 4812, the owner of which kindly contacted me today and told me that he had been informed that his is the only RHD SV without air conditioning. The car in the pic looks like it doesn't have a/c so there we are, c/n 4812 with reg. JLL 838K.