ferrari f2012 - Page 2

**tifosi12** · #21 04-17-2012, 05:19 PM

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Hopefully, they'll all be stealing points from each other until they get Clifford back from the vet......

They don't do brain surgery and heart transplants at the vet.

Remy Zero · #22 04-17-2012, 10:27 PM

Just who the heck is Clifford??

TifosiUSA · #23 04-17-2012, 10:50 PM

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Just who the heck is Clifford??

He's referring to Ferrari's "big red dog."

ReinD · #24 04-18-2012, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tifosi12

I'm pretty sure they'll figure out what went wrong in the next few weeks (too bad that Bahrain is happening as it costs them another week) and I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with a totally new car, crash tests and all.

Last season it was, "Our cars suck, but we're preparing for 2012."

And now it's 2012 and even before the season started, they were already saying they suck. Bah!!!

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OTOH they might make a decision that all is lost and start testing bits and pieces of the 2013 car during the rest of the season.

See above. lol

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Which is why it'd be really helpful to have a decent #2 driver who can actually give solid feedback.

When the car isn't performing, what more is there to say? You know it's a sad day for Ferrari when Mercedes out qualifies the field. What did Schumi say last year? Something about needing a better car? Well he has one now!

I don't totally blame Massa for his his performance. Yes, he is a major contributing factor, but if you're piloting a mule instead of a stallion, you can't expect stellar results.

No matter what excuse people can come up with, other teams are doing well. Other teams are out qualifying Ferrari. Those teams are obviously doing something right, whereas Ferrari is not living up to it's racing heritage. *sigh*

The only saving grace for Ferrari is that it's at least churning out awesome road cars! lol

pcht5 · #25 04-18-2012, 05:16 AM

I guess they should have kept the push-rod type suspensions instead of using the pull-rod type which Ferrari is the only team using it and it could have been one of the reasons led to the cars problems.

Remy Zero · #26 04-18-2012, 08:59 PM

Sometimes i wonder if the team is in denial. It's been so many season, and it's always the same excuse. We'll focus on next year's car. We are shifting our focus on next year's car. bla bla bla...

Thing is, from what i recall, Ferrari were probably the first team to focus on the 2012 car...and yet not only it's the ugliest, it's also 1-1.5 secs slower then Mclaren and Mercedes.

I think the 2012 is a write off. F1-live.com mentioned that Stefano said that back in 2010, Alonso had the same amount of points he had as this year. And he challenged for the WDC. Dear Stefano, the past is in the past. Alonso challenged for the WDC. And he failed. No one if gonna remember that. Everyone will remember Vettel. I don't understand why they keep referring to the past.

Honestly, i hope MS and Merc can work together and be champions. What a slap to the face it will be for the Scuderia.

PowerSlide · #27 04-18-2012, 10:06 PM

the season is very much over guys even if ferrari reinvent the whole car

history is repeating itself as well, ferrari will slump badly down the order while they keep talking the same old crap in every interview or article

**Senna1994** · #28 04-18-2012, 10:19 PM

How in the hell they put a Pull Rod Suspension in is beyond me. It is not only the front suspension that sucked but the rear is not too stable, with lack of traction out of the corners. They need to get the design team better focused and perhaps a guy like Briatore instead of a Dumbencali.

To be fair to Ferrari, with a place like Fiorano and no testing is a joke in F1. The only sport that the athletes cannot practice during the year. Typical of the Socialist European Mentality of giving in too the Poor Teams that have been around for a few years versus the Real Teams that have the backing and history to be able to compete at the top level. For God's Sake its F1 let them Test to their hearts content, I guarantee you Ferrari would get it right like during Schumi's time.

DeSoto · #29 04-19-2012, 03:52 AM

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They need to get the design team better focused and perhaps a guy like Briatore instead of a Dumbencali.

There is an interview with Briattore, in Autosprint I think, and actually he supports Domenicalli. He said that Domenicalli can do no more to improve the situation, he gave the engineers carte blanche and the resources they needed and it´s up to them to fix the car.

Coming from Flavio, that´s a quite cautious comment.

nerofer · #30 04-19-2012, 05:57 AM

Some technical support (?):

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98961

**Ferraripilot** · #31 04-19-2012, 07:33 AM

Fry recruited a rather odd choice for building their aero department. Last seen with Marussia and Jaguar/Red Bull before that in 07. Interesting. Should ultimately work out for them though.

nerofer · #32 04-19-2012, 07:37 AM

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Fry recruited a rather odd choice for building their aero department. Last seen with Marussia and Jaguar/Red Bull before that in 07. Interesting. Should ultimately work out for them though.

John,

you could be a bit more specific than "ultimately"? Or have you lost all faith?..i.e, will the wait between the last title and the future one be 21 years like between 1979 and 2000?
May the force be with them.

Best

DeSoto · #33 04-19-2012, 07:49 AM

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Fry recruited a rather odd choice for building their aero department. Last seen with Marussia and Jaguar/Red Bull before that in 07. Interesting. Should ultimately work out for them though.

Mercedes also hired Geoff Willis from HRT last year.

I suppose not everybody in the team can be a star.

**Ferraripilot** · #34 04-19-2012, 07:59 AM

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John,

you could be a bit more specific than "ultimately"? Or have you lost all faith?..i.e, will the wait between the last title and the future one be 21 years like between 1979 and 2000?
May the force be with them.

Best

I think it will take them a couple years to really end up on the sharp end of the grid again. I don't think they will have a substantial wait as it seems Fry is very proactive in building the departments where they need to be built. It's tough to know what an aero guy is capable of when their only experience has been with teams with limited budgetary means. Ferrari must have seen something in him.

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Mercedes also hired Geoff Willis from HRT last year.

I suppose not everybody in the team can be stars.

Geoff Willis is basically the Adrian Newey of the 90s. The guy has proven himself over and over. How he ended up at HRT I have no idea, but before that he was behind RB5/RB6 then left the Red Bull team just before 2010.

ElijahRaheem · #35 04-19-2012, 08:02 AM

Of all I have seen this season, it leads me to believe this season is another write-off.

**Fast_ian** · #36 04-19-2012, 11:23 AM

I wonder if "Mac-chat" has the same nay-sayers and Debbie-Downers as we have here?

Bwah, bwah, bwah - "It's a writeoff", "the pull rod system sucks", "they were too conservative", "they weren't conservative enough", "they should start on next years car", "fire everyone" bwah, bwah.

We're 3 races into a 20 race season, they're 3rd in the WCC and poor old Phil has yet to trouble the scorers.

They're probably gonna struggle again this weekend. OTOH, maybe the heat will help them more than others. Maybe Phil will get a balance he can deal with.

Then they've got the Mugello test and a break before Spain to try and get Clifford fixed - We know they have the resources, they're working hard and will win again this year IMO.

Cheers,
Ian

**VIZSLA** · #37 04-19-2012, 11:43 AM

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I wonder if "Mac-chat" has the same nay-sayers and Debbie-Downers as we have here?

Bwah, bwah, bwah - "It's a writeoff", "the pull rod system sucks", "they were too conservative", "they weren't conservative enough", "they should start on next years car", "fire everyone" bwah, bwah.

We're 3 races into a 20 race season, they're 3rd in the WCC and poor old Phil has yet to trouble the scorers.

They're probably gonna struggle again this weekend. OTOH, maybe the heat will help them more than others. Maybe Phil will get a balance he can deal with.

Then they've got the Mugello test and a break before Spain to try and get Clifford fixed - We know they have the resources, they're working hard and will win again this year IMO.

Cheers,
Ian

What does Apple have to do with this?

**Fast_ian** · #38 04-19-2012, 11:58 AM

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What does Apple have to do with this?

**VIZSLA** · #39 04-19-2012, 12:08 PM

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When confronted with logic in this forum I lash out.
My appologies.

**Ferraripilot** · #40 04-19-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast_ian

I wonder if "Mac-chat" has the same nay-sayers and Debbie-Downers as we have here?

Bwah, bwah, bwah - "It's a writeoff", "the pull rod system sucks", "they were too conservative", "they weren't conservative enough", "they should start on next years car", "fire everyone" bwah, bwah.

We're 3 races into a 20 race season, they're 3rd in the WCC and poor old Phil has yet to trouble the scorers.

They're probably gonna struggle again this weekend. OTOH, maybe the heat will help them more than others. Maybe Phil will get a balance he can deal with.

Then they've got the Mugello test and a break before Spain to try and get Clifford fixed - We know they have the resources, they're working hard and will win again this year IMO.

Cheers,
Ian

It's a bit far fetched, but perhaps all the naysayers could be flat wrong and Ferrari build upon this new approach and understand it and are a second quicker than everyone next season. Could this new technology/approach they have be that much of a breakthrough? I doubt it, but I suppose anything is possible.