Considering putting my '95 355 Challenge up for sale

[Rob Lay]

Originally Posted by tomgt

360C is DIY car! Very durable and reliable (also for road use)
Can be bought in Europe for far less than 40k euro. Spares are available almost in every (european) country.
Maybe prices will go up in future? I doubt it, 360Cs are produced in large numbers.

can you do everything track side without a SD? bleed the brakes?

[Rob Lay]

Originally Posted by PaulK

I always thought the Challenge cars should be worth slightly less than their road going counterparts due to the limited ways these cars can be enjoyed. Am I correct in saying that is the philosophy most people have?

I have always seen Challenge cars less than their street cars. However, in last couple years there have been some $60-75k 355 C's change hands which I believe is a little above the street cars.

[BigHead]

360 Challenges seem to be close to par to their street car siblings. 430 Challenges have taken a fairly precipitous drop over the last 4 years or so, to the point where they are slightly less expensive than 430 street cars.

On 355s, since I first asked this question, I've gotten some data. Seems to be in the $40k-$70k. Big range, yes, but that will vary very much depending on service(s) needed, and whether spares are included. For example, I have three sets of Challenge wheels, so depending on whether the wheels are sold separately or not (as well as two exhausts), it impacts the final sale price materially.

vty,

--Dennis

[tomgt]

Originally Posted by Rob Lay

can you do everything track side without a SD? bleed the brakes?

oke you need some equipment :-)

[360gtracer]

When I raced w/ FoW's team in the early 2000's, we bled the brakes without the SD. Not the optimal way to do it, but doable. At one point we had 8 cars, and we simply couldn't do all that brake bleeding with the SD - it was too time-consuming. But we did as necessary (if brake systems were disassemble for any reason, such as caliper or rotor replacement).

FWIW.

gp

[ARTNNYC]

Originally Posted by Rob Lay

can you do everything track side without a SD? bleed the brakes?

you need the diagnostic control to bleed the brakes? why?

[Rob Lay]

Originally Posted by ARTNNYC

you need the diagnostic control to bleed the brakes? why?

I don't know. I just know from the 360 on Ferrari tried to start making any little thing require the SD and then all of a sudden they only sold it to dealers and threatened beheadings if any that got out to independents. Independents still got their hands on them and now there are even 3rd party tools like the Leonardo.

[360gtracer]

As I recall, the SD (or laptop w/ factory software) controlled the bleeding process and told the tech which bleeder to open and when. I think it was supposed to be a more precise bleeding process, but I'd have to do more research to be absolutely certain.

As I said above, we did it on 360CH cars *ALL THE TIME* without the SD or laptop.

[Interestingly, and tangentially, the factory software on a laptop also gives percentage of clutch useage. Not really sure how that worked, but I don't think it was an actual measurement of any sort - I think it calculated based on miles driven in each gear and how agressively the car was launched. Still interesting....]

gp

[Rob Lay]

Originally Posted by 360gtracer

[Interestingly, and tangentially, the factory software on a laptop also gives percentage of clutch useage. Not really sure how that worked, but I don't think it was an actual measurement of any sort - I think it calculated based on miles driven in each gear and how agressively the car was launched. Still interesting....]

oh no, if that's true that is hilariously sad! when I take my GranSport in I religiously accept whatever clutch wear they tell me.

[Aircon]

Originally Posted by Rob Lay

I don't know. I just know from the 360 on Ferrari tried to start making any little thing require the SD and then all of a sudden they only sold it to dealers and threatened beheadings if any that got out to independents. Independents still got their hands on them and now there are even 3rd party tools like the Leonardo.

I remember my friend took his earlyish 360 to his usual independent mechanic for a brake bleed pre a track day. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but the car went into limp mode and had to go to the dealer for a 'reset'

Also, just from memory, I think the SD is needed to bleed the abs pump or something?

I think all that happened, now that I think about it, was the mechanic turned on the ignition while bleeding the brakes??? Don't hold me to it. Anyway, car thought it had a fluid leak and that was the end of that.

[Rob Lay]

sometimes when I bleed the brakes of my 355 I break a fingernail.

[Aircon]

Originally Posted by Rob Lay

sometimes when I bleed the brakes of my 355 I break a fingernail.

LOL

you should keep them trimmed. Or get your wife to do it for you. Pap told me she's the tough one.

[Nativetroy]

While I don't have experience on Ferrari, a lot of the manufactures use scan tools to do bleeds that involve the abs system. Calipers and other parts downstream of the abs don't require it, but the hcu and master cyl do. It cycles the valves while your bleeding to purge the air.

[daytona12]

Did you sell your Challenge car?
Thanks,
Sam

[BigHead]

Sam - nope. *Still* haven't gotten around to listing it. Too busy this summer working and traveling and having fun with the kids, but have been meaning to put an ad up.

I do have a title for it, so that might be of interest to some buyers (theoretically could register it for the street, though it'd never pass inspection).... :-)

vty,

--Dennis

[daytona12]

Hi Dennis,
I'm considering buying a Challenge car, so if you're still interested in selling your 355 send me some information.
Thanks,
Sam
daytona@pipeline.com

Originally Posted by BigHead

Sam - nope. *Still* haven't gotten around to listing it. Too busy this summer working and traveling and having fun with the kids, but have been meaning to put an ad up.

I do have a title for it, so that might be of interest to some buyers (theoretically could register it for the street, though it'd never pass inspection).... :-)

vty,

--Dennis