2012 new stuff

[RickLederman]

Two things I noticed yesterday ...

Starting my 2012 all I need to do is momentarily hit the start button, the starter continues to run until the engine starts without holding the button down. With my 2010 I had to hold the button down until it started.

Speedometer accuracy ... with PZero's the speedo in the 2010 indicated about 2 to 3 mph too high at 60 MPH. With the 2012 and Pilot Sports it was about 1 to 2 mph too high. With the 2012 and the Pilot Super Sports it is right on the money.

Rick

[mjc_123]

Originally Posted by RickLederman

Two things I noticed yesterday ...

Starting my 2012 all I need to do is momentarily hit the start button, the starter continues to run until the engine starts without holding the button down. With my 2010 I had to hold the button down until it started.

Rick

+1

I noticed this too as opposed to the 2010 Cali I rented, where you had to keep the button depressed until the engine turns over.

[ELP_JC]

Originally Posted by RickLederman

Starting my 2012 all I need to do is momentarily hit the start button, the starter continues to run until the engine starts without holding the button down.

Speedometer accuracy ... With the 2012 and the Pilot Super Sports it is right on the money.

That button change is nice. Always forget you have to hold it on this car, and that momentary starter activation can fry the solenoid.

So Super Sports have to run slightly bigger then. Same sizes and wheels as before? And would you mind comparing the SSs vs RE050s and PS2s? Many thanks.

[TheMayor]

Originally Posted by RickLederman

Two things I noticed yesterday ...

Starting my 2012 all I need to do is momentarily hit the start button, the starter continues to run until the engine starts without holding the button down. With my 2010 I had to hold the button down until it started.

Rick

All 458's are the same way. I think it's so that the electronics don't get an improper start reading if someone releases the button too quickly before the car fully catches.

[omniman]

I think I like holding the starter button down. But then again I'm old school.

[TheMayor]

Originally Posted by omniman

I think I like holding the starter button down. But then again I'm old school.

Old school! LOL! Good one.


I cannot get used to these new cars that don't have keys. I rented a Camry and you just put the key fob in the car and start it. But.... where to put it? In the cup holder? In my pocket? I just took it out of my pocket to hit the alarm. Do I put it back in? Seems rather silly.

What they need is just face recognition so there are no more keys. Otherwise, leave us KEYS so that they have a place to hang when we drive.

[mjc_123]

Originally Posted by TheMayor

Old school! LOL! Good one.


I cannot get used to these new cars that don't have keys. I rented a Camry and you just put the key fob in the car and start it. But.... where to put it? In the cup holder? In my pocket? I just took it out of my pocket to hit the alarm. Do I put it back in? Seems rather silly.

What they need is just face recognition so there are no more keys. Otherwise, leave us KEYS so that they have a place to hang when we drive.

My Audi S4 has the keyless start and on the door, there is a flat button that you touch to lock the doors and activate the alarm. So literally, you NEVER need to touch the key. I have gotten so used to it that with the Ferrari, it does seem so archaic!

[RickLederman]

Or you can have a Porsche with the key on the wrong side of the steering wheel. The only great Porsche had it to the right in the correct place ... the 928, I had three of them.

My wife's Cayenne has a dummy key to the left, silly.

These Super Sports seem to stick like my old PZero's in my 2010, maybe even better, and quite possibly not needing as much heat to get real sticky. I am slowly working them harder to see. I had the same wheels (star shape you see in the photo above) as I have in my 2012. And Tireman gave me a 20,000 mile warranty. My PZero's only lasted me 7,000 miles for the rears, 15,000 for the fronts. We will see how these last.

Rick

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Originally Posted by RickLederman

Or you can have a Porsche with the key on the wrong side of the steering wheel. The only great Porsche had it to the right in the correct place ... the 928, I had three of them.

My wife's Cayenne has a dummy key to the left, silly.

These Super Sports seem to stick like my old PZero's in my 2010, maybe even better, and quite possibly not needing as much heat to get real sticky. I am slowly working them harder to see. I had the same wheels (star shape you see in the photo above) as I have in my 2012. And Tireman gave me a 20,000 mile warranty. My PZero's only lasted me 7,000 miles for the rears, 15,000 for the fronts. We will see how these last.

Rick

Speaking of dummy keys my cts-v coupe has a key holder on the right of the steering colum. You turn it with no key in it. I asked the dealer why they just don't have a botton to push like everyone else. Seems the caddy owners are older and couldn't get used to the button.

[Tireman]

Specs on the tires (when new as reported by the manufacturers)
(Revs/mile)
Bridgestone RE50
Front - 774
Rear - 749

PZero
Front - 778
Rear - 742

PZero-Rosso
Front - 751
Rear - 742

Mich SS and PS2 (same spec for RPM)
Front - 778
Rear - 743

All of the tire options have specs that should not create any material variance in the reported speed. OTHER THAN the front OD of the PZero Rosso ... Perhaps someone can advise how the Cali speedo gets its read ?

[RickLederman]

Well I saw it in mine. Using radar detector GPS speed and cell phone GPS speed to verify it. I did not have the Rosso tires on my 2010.

It will be interesting to see what the SottoZero snow tires do this fall when I switch them for the winter.

Rick

[Tireman]

Rick
Do you have 19" or 20" .. the data I posted was for 19" tires..

[Tireman]

BTW .. I highly suggest using Michelin Winter tires over the Pirelli .. Alpin PA3 .. better tire and less expensive to boot!

[RickLederman]

Originally Posted by Tireman

BTW .. I highly suggest using Michelin Winter tires over the Pirelli .. Alpin PA3 .. better tire and less expensive to boot!

I just ordered a pair of replacement SottoZeros for the rear, thanks for the guidance though! Too bad we didn't have this conversation last week . My front tires look great after two winters, rears were worn fairly well.

Rick

[mjc_123]

Originally Posted by RickLederman

Or you can have a Porsche with the key on the wrong side of the steering wheel. The only great Porsche had it to the right in the correct place ... the 928, I had three of them.

My wife's Cayenne has a dummy key to the left, silly.

Rick

I think the Porsche logic was: insert key with left hand, while the right hand (and left foot) gets you in gear and moving sooner than if you had to insert key with right hand and move it to the gearshifter...I agree its kinda silly.

[RickLederman]

+1