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Old 07-05-2012, 10:47 PM
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F12 and GTO...

im gonna keep playing with this idea and bother ur eyes with it until its dead in my head.

i've been thinking and looking for a GTO for like a year now, cant find my perfect example thats priced right, but i believe once the F12 gets out and everywhere, the GTO's price will start to fall.
in my country people dont care about gto's heritage or whatever, so spec for spec, F12 kills it.
but im one of the few that cares a little and i sort of like how the old F1 shifts and all the suede and technical fabric that the GTOs have. Locally a GTO with 1k miles are priced the same as a F12 of my spec.
i found a GTO which is perfect for me and it has an awesome red alcantara interior but i cant show pics because buyer wont sell yet. He even sounds like the people on fchat, saying a GTO is much more than a F12, blah blah blah....
but from my experience with new model fcars, the new ones are always waist and a$$ above old ones, so ....

so my best bet is to get both, preferably the GTO now and F12 when it gets here. of course after all this $%^&it, no results. need to see a shrink to get rid of this thing in my head.
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:40 AM
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Different cars with different purposes and focus........in my opinion they cannot be compared. The F12 will never be able to capture the feel and sense of purpose that the GTO has. I have an F12 on order, but not as a a replacement of the GTO. My F12 will come and go, but I have no intention of selling the GTO. That says it all........

Good luck with your purchase, whatever it may be.
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:12 AM
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thats saying a lot. thanks!
im jusy overwhelmed by new model fcars everytime they come out. now im one of the few who really DRIVE their cars.
when i got the new 430, i thought it was the best car in the world! then came my scud, and the 430 feel like s#!t, then my italia which made my scud feels slow and less refined, #$%^ity compared to my 458, then my spider came, and it made my italia feel like #$it.
Newer is always better in the case for ferraris.

my 599 was the same, i didnt like the handling, so they did a HGTE, then the GTO. Now if the difference between 430 or scud and the 458 is anything to go by, im sure the F12 will be much better than the GTO in ALL respects.

Besides the name and limited numbers, the things i like about the GTO are the interior and maybe the rawness (or s#$%hittiness of the tranny, depend on how u look at it).

but what i like about the F12 is pretty much EVERYTHING.

im glad that owners like u speak so highly of the GTO, its almost hypnotizing.
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The F12 will never be able to capture the feel and sense of purpose that the GTO has..
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Old 07-06-2012, 05:39 AM
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Funny comments about F12 vs. the GTO. I mean, who has driven both?
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:16 AM
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Newer is always better in the case for ferrari
Completely agree with you. In the recent model bucket newest is best. In "collection" bucket it is all a matter of personal taste. Some people are saying the 599GTO goes into the collection bucket from new. Others are voting with their feet. For me the youngest Ferrari in my collection bucket is a 355 spider stick. It will outlive my 458 spider
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:38 AM
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Isn't this similar to the CS vs 430 or scud vs 458 discussions?

Each new model has eclipsed the performance of the focused model before it, but none have provided the same feel.
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Old 07-06-2012, 09:50 AM
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So you buy a F22...then new "enzo" is out, you must swap again!
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Old 07-06-2012, 10:23 AM
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What Ferrari's do you currently own Johns930?
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:21 AM
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Do you have any Dino's in your garage? How about Daytona's? I have a couple 360's I'll trade you if you do.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:23 AM
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My vote goes to the GTO first. Buy the GTO now, enjoy it now and then in two years (after the GTO fever dies down), get the F12. By then, the F12 will be in its second year of production and they would have fixed most of their initial production bugs!
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:53 PM
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My vote goes to the GTO first. Buy the GTO now, enjoy it now and then in two years (after the GTO fever dies down), get the F12. By then, the F12 will be in its second year of production and they would have fixed most of their initial production bugs!
One has to stop comparing the incomparable!

The F12 is a modern day Ferrari with all the tricks to make it fast AND easy. It is also a "mass-produced" Ferrari, as was the 599 GTB. It has very different looks but that is simply a question of each person's appreciation.

The GTO is a limited edition car which incorporates XX technology. It is very fast but not particularly easy to take to the limit, as witnessed by the number of cars that have met an early end. It is also the last Ferrari with a "proper" gearbox that is blindingly fast BUT that stirs the soul.

Think of the GTO as a modern day F40 and then you will appreciate what it represents.

The GTO stirs the soul and gives you goose bumps like few modern cars can. An icon.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:59 PM
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One has to stop comparing the incomparable!

The F12 is a modern day Ferrari with all the tricks to make it fast AND easy. It is also a "mass-produced" Ferrari, as was the 599 GTB. It has very different looks but that is simply a question of each person's appreciation.

The GTO is a limited edition car which incorporates XX technology. It is very fast but not particularly easy to take to the limit, as witnessed by the number of cars that have met an early end. It is also the last Ferrari with a "proper" gearbox that is blindingly fast BUT that stirs the soul.

Think of the GTO as a modern day F40 and then you will appreciate what it represents.

The GTO stirs the soul and gives you goose bumps like few modern cars can. An icon.
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:12 PM
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One has to stop comparing the incomparable!

The F12 is a modern day Ferrari with all the tricks to make it fast AND easy. It is also a "mass-produced" Ferrari, as was the 599 GTB. It has very different looks but that is simply a question of each person's appreciation.

The GTO is a limited edition car which incorporates XX technology. It is very fast but not particularly easy to take to the limit, as witnessed by the number of cars that have met an early end. It is also the last Ferrari with a "proper" gearbox that is blindingly fast BUT that stirs the soul.

Think of the GTO as a modern day F40 and then you will appreciate what it represents.

The GTO stirs the soul and gives you goose bumps like few modern cars can. An icon.
Well Said! +1
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Old 07-11-2012, 02:24 PM
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One has to stop comparing the incomparable!

The F12 is a modern day Ferrari with all the tricks to make it fast AND easy. It is also a "mass-produced" Ferrari, as was the 599 GTB. It has very different looks but that is simply a question of each person's appreciation.

The GTO is a limited edition car which incorporates XX technology. It is very fast but not particularly easy to take to the limit, as witnessed by the number of cars that have met an early end. It is also the last Ferrari with a "proper" gearbox that is blindingly fast BUT that stirs the soul.

Think of the GTO as a modern day F40 and then you will appreciate what it represents.

The GTO stirs the soul and gives you goose bumps like few modern cars can. An icon.
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It is very fast but not particularly easy to take to the limit, as witnessed by the number of cars that have met an early end.
I have seen some put the 599XX buttress winglets on the 599 GTO. I presume this makes some difference as Ferrari decided to put it on the 599XX. Have you considered this?
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Old 07-14-2012, 05:25 PM
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The GTO is a based largely on the XX but they have different habitats - and the speeds at which these winglets are effective mean they wouldn't be much use on the road. The GTO accidents mentioned above are generally not as a result of lack of downforce - rather too much power put down often in less-than-ideal conditions. The GTO is a tricky car - I'd even say a bit frightening at first. Took me some time to realise what it could do safely. Cars with this sort of power require respect - otherwise they end up in the Armco.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:36 PM
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I have seen some put the 599XX buttress winglets on the 599 GTO. I presume this makes some difference as Ferrari decided to put it on the 599XX. Have you considered this?
Done! But more for the looks than anything else! The GTO is an amazingly stable car - even when flat out
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Done! But more for the looks than anything else! The GTO is an amazingly stable car - even when flat out
Very cool ! ! Enjoy.
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One has to stop comparing the incomparable!

The F12 is a modern day Ferrari with all the tricks to make it fast AND easy. It is also a "mass-produced" Ferrari, as was the 599 GTB. It has very different looks but that is simply a question of each person's appreciation.

The GTO is a limited edition car which incorporates XX technology. It is very fast but not particularly easy to take to the limit, as witnessed by the number of cars that have met an early end. It is also the last Ferrari with a "proper" gearbox that is blindingly fast BUT that stirs the soul.

Think of the GTO as a modern day F40 and then you will appreciate what it represents.

The GTO stirs the soul and gives you goose bumps like few modern cars can. An icon.
Very well said.
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One has to stop comparing the incomparable!

The F12 is a modern day Ferrari with all the tricks to make it fast AND easy. It is also a "mass-produced" Ferrari, as was the 599 GTB. It has very different looks but that is simply a question of each person's appreciation.

The GTO is a limited edition car which incorporates XX technology. It is very fast but not particularly easy to take to the limit, as witnessed by the number of cars that have met an early end. It is also the last Ferrari with a "proper" gearbox that is blindingly fast BUT that stirs the soul.

Think of the GTO as a modern day F40 and then you will appreciate what it represents.

The GTO stirs the soul and gives you goose bumps like few modern cars can. An icon.
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