THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

[subirg]

Originally Posted by Napolis

OMG the number of people who want to spend 1MM on Hypercars in these interesting times
isn't growing to the sky?

No ****.

200 so far. They were planning on 918. How about Bugatti. They still haven't sold their 300 and that Puppy's been for sale since what 2005?

Once Bob's hard rain starts to fall it's going to get interesting.

You heard it here first. Ferrari should think about changing their tune a little.
Super Enzo's at 1.7MM USD?

Feeling lucky???

+1 Wise words indeed. This is going to be a fun story to watch...

[mlm7103]

Originally Posted by Napolis

Also if your penis is over 4 inches you can't get one.

what, not metric?

[Senna1994]

Jim, your 200 number is right on the money, and that is worldwide, the US so far is below 100.

[Tenney]

Originally Posted by DeSoto

Why would you want one with a penis over 4 inches?

It could ride shotgun.

[Tenney]

Originally Posted by Napolis

You heard it here first. Ferrari should think about changing their tune a little.
Super Enzo's at 1.7MM USD?

Feeling lucky???

Atelier may have to throw in a 4" extension in carbon ...?

[Napolis]

Originally Posted by Tenney

Atelier may have to throw in a 4" extension in carbon ...?

Those of us who've seen Ferrari's pile up unsold on the Docks of Newark and were begged by dealers to buy 308's at 5K under msrp may live to see something like what you suggest happen.

There will be 7.5K per year of 250K+ Ferrari's, Lambos, McLaren's and Porsche 458 fighters looking for buyers in the US and 800 1MM$ Hyper New Enzo's, 918's and New McLaren F1's looking for buyers in the US during a time when the US Economy may not be rocking and rolling.

We shall see...

[JeremyJon]

at that price Ferrari may have to propose only selling 200 units (which typically doubles) to cushion any potential short fall in sales ...but then who knows how many they need to sell to off set costs?

i recall in the '80's when we had a big hit in the O&G industry here, owners were dropping off at night before with keys in, thier NOT yet fully paid off Ferraris and Porsches to "the" citys high end dealer (cooke motors)

[amenasce]

From what i heard, France allocation is sold already. If France can do it, im sure the US can do it also. And this time around, there a more markets for this car then when the Enzo was introduced. I dont think Ferrari sold new Enzo in Russia, China, Singapore, Brazil..but they very well could sell this car to these new markets. The Middle east is also a bigger market for Ferrari than it was 10 years ago.

If they produce 500 of these cars, with 100 coming to the US, i dont think they would have a hard time shifting them.

Porsche is another story. The CGT never double its value and can be bought now for less than MSRP (not counting inflation) even for low mileage cars.

[TOOLFAN]

Originally Posted by Senna1994

Jim, your 200 number is right on the money, and that is worldwide, the US so far is below 100.

Looking at the CGT market vs the Enzo market its not hard to see why Porsche is having trouble moving 918s. CGTs can be bought well in back of MSRP now, while Enzos still sell for over double MSRP. I don't think everyone wants to take a guaranteed hit on a 918.

[TOOLFAN]

Originally Posted by Napolis

Also if your penis is over 4 inches you can't get one.

Do you have get to that Classiche certified?

[PSk]

Originally Posted by TOOL-FAN

Its basically the list of things Ferrari wants to see from you before they will sell you a car at MSRP. There of course always exception to these lists, take for example the fact Jay Kay was able to get an Enzo at MSRP without having the proper prerequisites, Nick Mason did not have the 'qualifications' either. To get an Enzo was much simpler and cheaper, basically they required that you have one of the other super Ferraris (288GTO, F40, F50). With this car you must still own one of the super Ferraris from new and not have gotten the car second hand. There are other parameters that you can meet of course. The most amazing one that I find is if you haven't had a super Ferrari since birth you can supplement this by having purchased 9 Ferraris in 24 months. However, there are more direct and creative ways of getting a car at MSRP.

Nick Mason has owned a F40 from new ... and does own an Enzo ...

Pete

[TOOLFAN]

Originally Posted by PSk

Nick Mason has owned a F40 from new ... and does own an Enzo ...

Pete

He sold his Enzo, he also sold his original F40.

[Napolis]

Originally Posted by TOOL-FAN

He sold his Enzo, he also sold his original F40.

I still have my original Enzo which I bought new but it does look a bit different than when I bought it.

Andrew think they'll sell out in Greece? Spain? Portugal? Italy? When they start eating the rich in France and they're starting to set the table it will get real interesting.

The trick is separating everything one hears into two piles. That which is true and that which is whistling past the graveyard.

Lately I have been inundated with offers from France for Luxury Properties. I very much doubt the market for new Enzo's is sold out there. If you want a huge Villa let me know.

China? After the 599GTO Crash and the huge political crack down that's coming the market for New Enzo's could cool a bit...

[ross]

as i have said on other threads, i too am getting offers for all sorts of weird and wonderful things from france, italy, spain and greece....and i am no where near the wallet size of most of you on here, so i can imagine these people are lowering their price horizons all the time....

i guess there is a market for the new uber ferrari at whatever price, among the worlds richest people. but if europe goes the implosion route that i keep thinking its on, then there will be some allocations going begging and needing to be shipped somewhere else.

[furoni]

Please don´t be so "dramatic", we are facing very difficult times but, i think will manage to survive....

[Napolis]

Originally Posted by furoni

Please don´t be so "dramatic", we are facing very difficult times but, i think will manage to survive....

If people face reality they will but personally I think many aren't and won't.

The town in Greece that has/had more Porsche Cayannes per capita
than any other town in Greece had no one who reported for tax purposes
income over 30k euro per year.

Drive a Ferrari in Staad and be prepared to be pulled over by
The Guiarda Finincale.

The World isn't ending but I think the changes will be "dramatic" as the 918's sales to date of 200 vs their greenlighting based on selling 918 clearly show.

Will world wide demand be greater for the new Enzo than the 918?

Yes.

Will it as be as strong as they thought it would be?

We shall see.

[Shack]

Originally Posted by furoni

Please don´t be so "dramatic", we are facing very difficult times but, i think will manage to survive....

It's not being dramatic it's being realistic. Managing to survive does not mean people will spend on such items. They will probably conserve as much cash as possible to be ready if and when they believe we have survived. And IMHO unfortunately we will only know in a few years time.

[AlexGR]

Originally Posted by Napolis

The town in Greece that has/had more Porsche Cayannes per capita
than any other town in Greece had no one who reported for tax purposes
income over 30k euro per year.

Thats were i lived, sick of seeing cayennes :P

[DeSoto]

I don´t know how bad the world crisis is, but I do know that 1.7 million is a lot of $. If the 1.3 million Bugatti didn´t sell well when things were going better, I don´t see how they´re going to move a 1.7 million Ferrari now.

I know that Ferrari is Ferrari, but 1.7 million is 1.7 million. Maybe they can do it if they pretend to build only 200 or so.

[David Lind]

This is a really interesting thread from perspectives far removed from what the new "Enzo" will look like. I'm enjoying this immensely even though I am at the other end of the Ferrari ownership spectrum!