The Last Enzo

[farbox]

So the question for the knowledgeable members would be:
After all the talk of "real numbers" vs "official numbers"; chasing serial numbers; assembling lists etc, and all the "nudge nudge wink wink" hints, what is the consensus/guesstimate on the ACTUAL number of Enzos made? With a distinction re the original ones, and the re-manufactured ones?

[134282]

Originally Posted by jtremlett

141920 is the highest chassis number I am aware of but it isn't the highest assembly number I know of and certainly wasn't the last one built.

Yes, the highest assembly number is 60319, and we already know 141920 wasn't the last one built.

Originally Posted by TOOL-FAN

Correct. There are some interesting stories regarding other "newer" Enzos. The newest Ferrari Enzo was built (rebuilt) in 2008. However, some of the other Enzos that were rebuilt by Ferrari weren't completely finished by Ferrari.

Zanasi?

Originally Posted by farbox

So the question for the knowledgeable members would be:
After all the talk of "real numbers" vs "official numbers"; chasing serial numbers; assembling lists etc, and all the "nudge nudge wink wink" hints, what is the consensus/guesstimate on the ACTUAL number of Enzos made? With a distinction re the original ones, and the re-manufactured ones?

Some 480+ Enzos have been identified with information suggesting a total production number just north of 500. Only a handful have been "rebuilt."

[jtremlett]

Originally Posted by 134282

Yes, the highest assembly number is 60319, and we already know 141920 wasn't the last one built...

60319 is not the highest assembly number and with regard to 141920 I was responding to your earlier post in this thread naming that as the last car constructed.

Jonathan

[farbox]

Originally Posted by 134282

Some 480+ Enzos have been identified with information suggesting a total production number just north of 500. Only a handful have been "rebuilt."

Thank you!
Although I haven't religiously read every single thread on every forum regarding this matter, that's the first time Ive seen an actual figure mentioned rather than the usual "a lot more than 399"!

[134282]

Originally Posted by jtremlett

60319 is not the highest assembly number

Would you like to tell us the highest assembly number, or would you like to continue reiterating previously stated facts in the thread without actually contributing anything new? Your smugness loses credibility when you don't back it up.

Originally Posted by jtremlett

and with regard to 141920 I was responding to your earlier post in this thread naming that as the last car constructed.

Yes, it is the last one built, if you look at it in terms of the highest serial number. If you read the thread in its entirety, you'll see where that was discussed. But if you just want to follow me around and hen peck at my posts, that's cool too.

[farbox]

Carbon, would you be able to enlighten me as to the differences between serial number and assembly number?
I mean I can understand the supposed grammatical meaning, but how do they relate to this topic as in the production schedule (last car, pope's car etc..) and our question regarding the total numbers/last one; and the distinction I think you make re the last Enzo BUILT, viz a viz the highest asssembly number and /or serial number?
And can they be out of sequence? Is the assembly number stamped on the VIN plate? Would a rebuild get a new assembly number while keeping its VIN?
Did the Enzos get a "batch" of consecutive numbers, or where their numbers allocated one by one as necessary and mixed with other F cars in production at that time?
Thanks in advance for your info!

[jtremlett]

Originally Posted by 134282

Would you like to tell us the highest assembly number

I do not know the highest assembly number since, like you, I do not know the assembly numbers of all Enzos made. I do know of an assembly number higher than the one you quote but I don't intend to post it here.

Originally Posted by 134282

... But if you just want to follow me around and hen peck at my posts, that's cool too.

Don't flatter yourself. I am interested only in the accuracy of what gets posted.

Originally Posted by farbox

Carbon, would you be able to enlighten me as to the differences between serial number and assembly number?
I mean I can understand the supposed grammatical meaning, but how do they relate to this topic as in the production schedule (last car, pope's car etc..) and our question regarding the total numbers/last one; and the distinction I think you make re the last Enzo BUILT, viz a viz the highest asssembly number and /or serial number?
And can they be out of sequence? Is the assembly number stamped on the VIN plate? Would a rebuild get a new assembly number while keeping its VIN?
Did the Enzos get a "batch" of consecutive numbers, or where their numbers allocated one by one as necessary and mixed with other F cars in production at that time?
Thanks in advance for your info!

I can answer some of this. Generally the chassis numbers get allocated more-or-less sequentially during the ordering process and some time before construction of a car begins. The Assembly number seems to be allocated at the start of construction and is in the order the cars are assembled (not necessarily the order they are finished, of course, as some cars will take longer than others to complete for quality control reasons, for example, but no doubt it takes longer to build some models than others). So, you can see that a higher assembly number would indicate a later construction start date than a lower number.

For reasons that are not entirely clear (to me at least), Ferrari decided to allocate a load of "unused" earlier chassis numbers to some Enzos. These are numbers that would normally have been allocated to cars built from the mid-'90s on. Other than that, the chassis numbers (and assembly numbers) for Enzos were mixed in with other production Ferraris. So, whilst normally assembly number and chassis numbers indicate broadly the same construction sequence, you can see that isn't the case for Enzos because of this anomoly.

The assembly number has five (always five for an Enzo) or six digits and is stamped on a small, separate, plaque to the VIN plate. Its position varies in different models.

The "rebuilt" cars, carry all the same numbers (VIN, assembly etc.) as the "original" cars.

Jonathan

[134282]

Originally Posted by jtremlett

I do know of an assembly number higher than the one you quote but I don't intend to post it here.

Of course not. You're interested in acquiring information, never interested in sharing it. You're a succubus. You gotta spend money to make money, champ.

And I'm not flattering myself, this isn't the first post (on this forum or the other one) that you've picked at, for no other reason than to be pedantic. Okay, so maybe I'm flattered just a little; you have a Ferrari in the garage, but you're here with me. :blushing:

[134282]

Originally Posted by farbox

Carbon, would you be able to enlighten me as to the differences between serial number and assembly number?
I mean I can understand the supposed grammatical meaning, but how do they relate to this topic as in the production schedule (last car, pope's car etc..) and our question regarding the total numbers/last one; and the distinction I think you make re the last Enzo BUILT, viz a viz the highest asssembly number and /or serial number?
And can they be out of sequence? Is the assembly number stamped on the VIN plate? Would a rebuild get a new assembly number while keeping its VIN?
Did the Enzos get a "batch" of consecutive numbers, or where their numbers allocated one by one as necessary and mixed with other F cars in production at that time?
Thanks in advance for your info!

He's pompous and pedantic, but Jonathan is right regarding his answers to your questions.

[jtremlett]

Originally Posted by 134282

Of course not. You're interested in acquiring information, never interested in sharing it...

I am in a very fortunate position that people trust me with information in confidence. I am sorry you find that so difficult to understand.

Jonathan

[134282]

Originally Posted by jtremlett

I am in a very fortunate position that people trust me with information in confidence. I am sorry you find that so difficult to understand.

You're in a private group of people that shares information amongst each other - and disbands people who attempt to enlighten the community at large as to why the recording of that information is so important. Now who's flattering themselves?

[Saleen]

I would consider the last car to come off the factory floor with a "fresh VIN #" to be the final Enzo. Considering you say an Enzo was rebuilt from the factory in 2008, but with a formerly registered VIN #, should make it exempt from the conversation.

Here is Enzo #400. Took these pics at the 2006 Festivals of Speed in St Pete, Florida. Car is owned locally there by Don Wallace. You can see in the 3rd picture, a note written by the President of Ferrari to the Pope in yellow wax pencil under the front bonnet.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...rrariEnzo9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...Enzo400-21.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...errariEnzo.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...rrariEnzo2.jpg

[Ferrari_Michael]

Originally Posted by jtremlett

I am in a very fortunate position that people trust me with information in confidence. I am sorry you find that so difficult to understand.

Jonathan

Not wishing to become involved, but not only do I suspect, but I know Carbon does not share information that has been given to him in confidence, but an important factor in this is not letting people know you know, you know?

See I respect, and fully support the collection of information, but arrogance and correcting someone without correct information is somewhat destructive to someone's clear passion for collecting and SHARING information. Carbon has shared his journey from a fan, to somewhat of an expert, his personality shows in his generous posts, his is positive.

Just a thought.

[pluto]

Originally Posted by jtremlett

I do not know the highest assembly number since, like you, I do not know the assembly numbers of all Enzos made. I do know of an assembly number higher than the one you quote but I don't intend to post it here.

Don't flatter yourself. I am interested only in the accuracy of what gets posted.

I can answer some of this. Generally the chassis numbers get allocated more-or-less sequentially during the ordering process and some time before construction of a car begins. The Assembly number seems to be allocated at the start of construction and is in the order the cars are assembled (not necessarily the order they are finished, of course, as some cars will take longer than others to complete for quality control reasons, for example, but no doubt it takes longer to build some models than others). So, you can see that a higher assembly number would indicate a later construction start date than a lower number.


I am new to this site and I have heard quite different stories from China. There was an article in a very popular chinese motoring website saying that after the 400th enzo which built for pope was compeleted, Ferrari built another two Enzo for Todt and Montezemolo as gifts. Those two Enzo were built after all FXX were produced. They were fitted with the same suspension system as FXX and extra nav system alone with stereo. The black one built for Montezemolo was later sold to an Chinese VIP who owns the Aston Martin dealerships in Shanghai by Ferrari during his visiting in maranello for 1.5M EURO.

For reasons that are not entirely clear (to me at least), Ferrari decided to allocate a load of "unused" earlier chassis numbers to some Enzos. These are numbers that would normally have been allocated to cars built from the mid-'90s on. Other than that, the chassis numbers (and assembly numbers) for Enzos were mixed in with other production Ferraris. So, whilst normally assembly number and chassis numbers indicate broadly the same construction sequence, you can see that isn't the case for Enzos because of this anomoly.

The assembly number has five (always five for an Enzo) or six digits and is stamped on a small, separate, plaque to the VIN plate. Its position varies in different models.

The "rebuilt" cars, carry all the same numbers (VIN, assembly etc.) as the "original" cars.

Jonathan

http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/it...4543a91139.jpg

I have heard different things from China. We all know the 400th enzo were built for the pope and then followed by FXX programme. However there was an article from a chinese motoring website saying after all FXX were built, there were two enzo been built as gifts to Todt and Montezemolo. Those two were fitted with the same suspension system as FXX along with extra stereo and Nav system. The one for Montezemolo was Black and later on sold to the owner of Aston Martin dealership in Shanghai by Ferrari for 1.5M euro. I am still looking for that article as it has the pics of unique interior ----- touch screen and two speaker.