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Dr. George D. Petito (Doc18015)
Junior Member
Username: Doc18015
Post Number: 90
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2003 - 7:29 am: | |
Jordan, my 87 TR has a black dash with a light cream interior. It was originally special ordered for an Egyptian buyer! Very cool car. |
Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member
Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 103
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 2:32 pm: | |
For diffences between early and late Testarossas, also check my site: www.red-headed.com. Go to "Articles", then choose "Versions" in the Testarossa section. |
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member
Username: Benjet
Post Number: 1065
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 1:49 pm: | |
Jordan,
Dash(es) came in Brown, Black, Red, Blue and even a few in Tan, there manye another few colors, which show up from time to time. The one I saw with a tan dash looked unique!
Main differences between earlier models of Testrossa and later (IIRC):
85 - no 3rd brake light?
85-88 (single lug) knockoff wheels and stamped suspension, some with metric tires others not
88.5-91 5 lug wheels and forged suspension
88ish seatbelts went from regular to motorized mousetraps
85-86 single (driver side only) non swivel high mount exterior rear view mirror - later years had 2 mirrors that swiveled, mounted lower
Changes in the dash (and supports), placement of the odometer, and center console (to support the change in seatbelts)
Toolkits changed along with the change in wheels
I'm sure there is somethings I've forgotten.
-Ben |
Jeff Green (Carguy)
Junior Member
Username: Carguy
Post Number: 203
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 9:35 am: | |
Jordan...yes some TRs did come with a black dash. It just depends on what the interior color was ordered. I have a Nero Black Metallic TR with Black interior. But it seems most TRs do have the dark brown dash with tan seats. |
Jordan (Jhl1963)
New member
Username: Jhl1963
Post Number: 4
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 8:34 am: | |
Would also like some more info on the 85 vs later/91 TRs? And this may sound like a stupid question, but I swear I once saw a TR with a black dash, yet all the pics I have seen recently irregardless of year seam to be the brown? which TRs came with black dashes?
Thanks,
Jordan |
Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member
Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 99
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2003 - 1:17 pm: | |
Nice list Lloyd! I think I will add it to my website at www.red-headed.com (yes, completely focussed on Testarossa, 512 TR and F512 M; check Articles section ...). Grtx, Edvar |
Omar (Auraraptor)
Member
Username: Auraraptor
Post Number: 383
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2003 - 10:02 pm: | |
512TR to F512M? |
Ronald Vallejo (Ron328)
New member
Username: Ron328
Post Number: 20
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2003 - 5:13 pm: | |
I was just about to inquire re: the subject.
Are there any major differences too within the '84/85 to 91 Testrossa's? Which ones to avoid?
Thanks for starting an excellent thread, Lloyd.
Ron |
Lloyd Bemis (Lloyd)
New member
Username: Lloyd
Post Number: 47
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2003 - 3:27 pm: | |
This issue seems to come up a lot and thought it disserves a separate thread for all to add their thoughts on the differences between these two models. Although it may be repetitive of prior posts, it would be nice to have one place for people to go to when they are comparing the difference in these progressive models. Might be nice to set up similar separate threads for 308 vs 328, 328 vs 348, 348 vs 355 and 355 vs 360, 550 vs 575 to assist those in comparing these models. I know the search function is of great assistance, but it would be nice to have one place for each one of these comparisons.
To start things out here is a list I posted in the past of those changes noted by Cavallino (Feb/March 1992) between the 512 TR and Testarossa.
Engine- The engine blocks in both are flat 12 boxer engine cast in light alloy, with crankshaft having seven main bearings, four valves per cylinder with each cylinder bank having two overhead cams. Other changes and similarities in the two are as follows:
1. Bore and stroke of 82mm by 78mm, 4942 cc capacity (unchanged);
2. HP increased from 380hp SAE to 421, with most of the increase coming from a redesign of the intake manifolds, a repositioning of the injectors, and a recalibration of the injectors, and a recalibration of the engine management system, the later controlling the integrated electronic fuel injection system;
3. Torque increased from 354lb ft to 360;
4. 0-60mph, 5.7 sec to 4.8;
5. Top speed- 180mph to 192;
6. New cylinder liner manufactured in aluminum with Nikasil coating;
7. New pistons due to larger intake valves;
8. Increase in compression ratio (10.1 to1)
9. Modified cylinder head gaskets due to a higher compression ratio and a different cylinder head coolant circulation layout;
10. Reinforced camshafts of a new profile;
11. Valve tappets with a new design bucket and springs;
12. New intake valves of a larger diameter;
13. Separate air boxes with filters, with a dynamic air intake;
14. Longer and straighter air intake manifolds;
15. Integrated electronic fuel injection system and ignition (Bosch Motronic 2.7) with self-diagnostic capabilities, and with ECU located in the cockpit;
16. Double independent submergible fuel pumps;
17. Exhaust manifolds with new layout;
18. Metallic type pre-catalyst converters;
19. Exhaust muffler with resonators and new heat shields;
20. Aluminum oil radiator with U circulation and without fan, allowing for better permeability; aluminum tubing;
21. Dual copper water radiators with U circulation in series and new aluminum tubing;
22. Coolant expansion tank located between intake manifolds;
23. More powerful alternator;
24. Secondary air pump with new air distribution pattern.
Chassis- Up front, the chassis frame was strengthened around specific points; for example, the steering rack mounts and the front suspension mounts. Highly stressed frame pieces are made of a special chromium-molybdenum steel. At the rear, the old engine sub frame has been done away with. To gain a noticeable increase in stiffness, the rear frame was made an integral part of the entire chassis. The engine is now lifted out from above. Around the passenger compartment, the steel platform, rear bench, front and rear firewalls, and pillars are all welded directly to the tubes of the chassis. End result is that chassis flex has been reduced by 25% and torsional rigidity has been increased by 12.5%. Other chassis specifics as noted by Ferrari:
1. Weight reduction of 40kg/88lbs;
2. Lower center of gravity;
3. Reduction of unsprung weight;
4. Steering points in aluminum alloy;
5. New steering column shaft design;
6. New steering rack with longer arms and more direct ratios;
7. New steering moment offset;
8. Bilstein gas shock absorbers with aluminum body and adjustable plate;
9. New shock absorber settings;
10. Lighter weight springs.
Gearbox and Differential
1. Limited slip differential (40%) with reduced axial thrust to increase reliability;
2. New transfer gear ratio;
3. Strengthened transfer gears;
4. New synchronizer pre-loading springs;
5. Gear shift lever housing with sliding ball bearings;
6. New selector and modified gear shift lever inclination;
7. New single plate clutch with reduced inertia and asbestos free clutch linings;
8. Entire gearbox and transmission strengthened throughout.
Brakes
1. Larger front discs, 315mm x 32mm, with cross drilled braking surface;
2. Larger rear discs, 310 mm x 28mm, with cross drilled braking surface;
3. Aluminum calipers with larger pistons: front 44/40mm; rear: 40/36mm;
4. New ducts for brake cooling;
5. New brake proportioning valve;
6. Brake pedal ratio is more direct;
7. Redesigned hand brake with reduced application effort.
Wheels and Tires
1. Front wheels increased from 16� to 8� x 18� with 235/40 ZR 18 tires;
2. Rear wheels increased from 16� to 10.5� x 18� with 295/35 ZR 18 tires.
Styling Changes
1. New trapezoidal shaped air intake scoops on front with prancing horse;
2. Body colored front spoiler;
3. New profile to the C pillar fins in the rear sections with elimination of vents in sail panels;
4. Integral air intake slots added to the engine cover;
5. Rear lights are now dual colored and a redesign of the underbumper to change aesthetics of the exhaust system and exhaust outlets.
6. Wheels redesigned;
7. Interior restyled with elimination of center console and repositioning of the corresponding instruments under the central part of the dashboard.
8. Door panels and armrests have been changed.
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